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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 26, 2022

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I agree but my point is that I am a 9/11 truther inasmuch no one has ever convincingly explained to me why WTC7 collapsed.Or why there wasno investigation of The State Farm Arena election fiasco. I believe a group of global world leaders are pushing an agenda called Build Back Better etc.

But none of these explain what's happening on universities. Not even Alex Jones on ayuasca would predict the content coming straightfaced out of tenured University professors.

I found the NIST report on the collapse convincing. Did you read the actual report or only 'internet' analysis?

I'm with you on The State Farm Arena and the crazy at universities. Some of the university crazy is the academic equivalent of fake email jobs. I'm kinda wishing for a long deep recession that culls those with a disconnection from the nature of reality.

https://link.aps.org/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevPhysEducRes.18.010119

I'm kinda wishing for a long deep recession that culls those with a disconnection from the nature of reality.

Oh me too. I just hope I don't find out I was one of them.

"The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires..."

https://www.nist.gov/pao/questions-and-answers-about-nist-wtc-7-investigation

Yes I read it. I didn't find it convincing. I now consider it an early proto- factcheck.

I believe it looked like a controlled demolition because it was likely a controlled demolition.

Any evidence for blasts? I would be more skeptical if it sounded like a controlled demolition.

Weak evidence in one or two videos and witnesses claiming to have hear blasts.

However the perfect collapse into its own footprint is a feature of a controlled demolition.

However the perfect collapse into its own footprint is a feature of a controlled demolition.

It's a feature of any collapse, except where a side component is added by the thing doing the collapsing. It's not intuitive, because we think of buildings as rigid things which can fall over sideways... but they aren't. As soon as they start shearing, their structural members are no longer able to support them and they collapse straight down.

As soon as they start shearing, their structural members are no longer able to support them and they collapse straight down.

This does not match my understanding. Buildings do not generally pancake down into their own footprint, even with massive damage, partial collapses, or severe fires.

Most of those buildings are rather smaller -- I shouldn't have said "any collapse", just any collapse of a building built like a skyscraper. I'm not sure about the Taiwan buildings; they must have been massively overbuilt to remain rigid like that.

So assuming it was indeed a controlled demolition, who do you figure did it and why? Does the theory involve the two main towers also having been demolished deliberately? If you are the Shady Cabal and actually managed to orchestrate something as complex as having fake terrorists fly planes into two big towers (and then potentially demolishing them without being noticed), why would you risk it all to demolish another much smaller building that you didn't even have a plane fly into?

Have you heard of the Surfside collapse? There, a reasonably tall building neatly pancaked due to the collapse of an adjacent parking deck. The emerging consensus seems to be that this was due to a combination of water damage, shoddy construction and possibly vibrations from an adjacent construction site serving as the ultimate trigger. If vibrations from a construction site can push a structure over the edge like that, surely fire plus something WTC1-sized collapsing right next to you can.

"If you are the Shady Cabal and actually managed to orchestrate something as complex as having fake terrorists fly planes into two big towers "

You're putting claims into my mouth to make me appear more ridiculous.

This is where conspiracy theorists get into trouble. It's not my job to speculate with meager information as to what actually happened.

I need only point out that the official version doesn't add up and that powerful people benefitted from the event.

If I go into a lizardman theory then I am easily debunked.

Pointing out the obvious and irreconcilable errors in the official story is a position of strength. Speculating on the unknowns is a position of weakness.

For example, is there any evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon outside of officials saying so?

I didn't put any claims into your mouth; I just preemptively addressed what I thought would be the most likely missing part of your story. The official story "adds up", in the sense of not being literally nearly impossible, just fine, since as I pointed out we do have other examples of buildings collapsing neatly from seemingly minuscule external triggers. You can at most argue that it is unlikely, but you haven't done anything rigorous to that end; and if you do, explaining why and how someone would engage in the clearly high-effort act of demolishing 7 WTC shortly after planes flew into an adjacent landmark and it collapsed is the most important (in the sense of being impactful on the probability of the official story being wrong) thing you need to do, not some irrelevant tangent.

"If you are the Shady Cabal and actually managed to orchestrate something as complex as having fake terrorists fly planes into two big towers "

That's putting words in my mouth. I don't mind you disagreeing with me. I expect it. I mind you putting words in my mouth.

It would make more sense that this was a LIHOP for the obvious benefit of those within the military industrial complex.

How many controlled demolitions and burning skyscrapers have you seen, such that you would be able to tell the difference between them?

Does watching a lot of "China's Funniest Demolition Accidents" count? I can usually tell it's not going to plan before the engineers even start running.

WTC7 is apparently the only modern tall building to collapse primarily from a fire.

But I've seen videos of dozens of controlled demolitions and they all look like WTC7.

That would be a no then.

The point is that if you haven't seen both kinds of things, you have no way to distinguish one from the other. You're trying to say that looks more like a demolition than it does like something else. In order to make that comparison, you have to have seen the something else.

A telescope looking at the moon makes it look like a piece of fake plastic. Just saying "I've seen lots of plastic and that looks like plastic" is bad reasoning.

"The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires."

What am I supposed to compare it to if it's a unique event?

You're basically asking "what am I supposed to do if there's no possible way to get enough information?" Then you don't have enough information; sometimes the information just isn't available.

"The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires."

What am I supposed to compare it to if it's a unique event?

This lesser known case of high rise collapsing in fire.

It took decades of neglect (at the time, it was derelict inhabited by squatters) and ninety minutes of whole building burning like torch, but it finally went down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edif%C3%ADcio_Wilton_Paes_de_Almeida

https://www.quora.com/What-do-the-9-11-conspiracy-theorists-have-to-say-about-the-high-rise-pancake-collapse-in-Sao-Paulo-Do-they-claim-it-was-also-a-controlled-demolition-Brazil-highrise-fire-causes-building-to-collapse/answer/Brighton-Jaimeson

Here is AFAIK the only (shitty cell phone) video of this event.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=boCLAmst1Ig

Thanks. And it looks nothing like a controlled demolition or like WTC7.

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