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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 29, 2024

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While I consider all dual citizenship objectionable, and would lightly call for the deportation of all such peoples to their other place of citizenship (excepting those who's other countries would not allow them to renounce) Israel should be at the bottom of any such lists. They would, literally, be my last priority. Their concerns are legitimate. I think there is a major political party in America that is on track to seek their extinction as a race. So, yeah, when we have rid ourselves of the dual loyalty Mexican, Somali, Canadian, Chinese, and other X-Americans, we can deal with the Israeli problem. But I doubt we will have much such problems when all those others are sent away.

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Israel is the first priority. Israel spies on America and sells its secrets. It also lobbies the US to fight its wars and give it money. If Israel isn't the first priority then this whole thing is pointless. There's nobody from Taiwan or China in the US government doing this. I don't want to hear this argument until all Israeli first sympathizers are expelled from America and stripped of their citizenship. And that includes Americans like Sheldon Adelson.

Israel spies on America and sells its secrets. It also lobbies the US to fight its wars and give it money.

And so does everybody else, just as the US spies on, and sells the secrets of, others.

Once upon a time it was understood by everyone down to lowliest serf that such was the minimum buy-in to play "the great game".

It's 100% true that Israel spies on the United States, but this is very normal (for example, the US was caught spying on Germany, and France is apparently notorious for running SIGINT collections at international military exercises) in international relations. FVEYS might be the one group in the world that actually doesn't spy on each other.

And it's 100% not true that China or Taiwan isn't lobbying (Taiwan definitely does) or spying on it (China definitely does).

(A historical aside, but I am not sure anything Israel has done has been as consequential as the coordinated British effort, which included espionage, to get us into the World Wars. The Zimmerman note would never have come to light if it was not for British espionage on US diplomatic traffic.)

FVEYS might be the one group in the world that actually doesn't spy on each other.

I thought this was known to be false, as another layer of end-run around restrictions on SIGINT against citizens? If eg MI6 spies on an American citizen on American soil and relays it to NSA with the expectation of reciprocation, it's not NSA doing the spying, and therefore totally in the clear.

I'm not talking about lobbying. I'm talking about Zionist Jews (sometimes with Israeli citizenship) serving in the US government at the highest levels. There is nobody like that for China yet there are who knows how many people like this for Israel. It's no shock that the largest recipient of foreign aid and the next biggest ones are the countries that recognize it. And we're not talking about just spying. What Israel does is leagues beyond that including selling secrets to its enemies. Israel and Jews are so far beyond what any other country does that it's not even comparable. So I don't even want to hear about The Squad until Israel is dealt with. Zionist Jews could start WW3, while Ilhan would just get the US in some entanglement in Africa that doesn't really matter. I think you could make a serious argument that Zionist Jews in the US government are literally the biggest threat to world peace.

When you make inflammatory claims, you need to bring evidence. “Could,” “would,” “who knows”—elaborate on these, and use them to make it clear why you stand by your claims.

FVEYS might be the one group in the world that actually doesn't spy on each other.

I would bet against that, except there's no way to resolve the bet. I'm sure all countries involved attempt to get intelligence beyond the scope of the agreement, one way or another.