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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 15, 2024

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Yeah, it makes perfect sense for Jews to be prejudiced against the guy [...] who moved the American Embassy in Israel to Jeruselam.

I believe the line "this, but unironically"? I think it's safe to say many people are unhappy when people take active steps to fulfill a prophecy when a popular version of that prophecy includes, among other undesirable effects, the destruction of their faith:

Many also believe that as this occurs, there will be an ongoing and mass conversion of Jews to Christ.

A lot of the Christians beliefs of what the "second coming" will look like are not great for the Jews. Or, really, any non-Christians, but the Jews in particular get used as pawns and then screwed over.

Aren't we talking about the really insanely pro-Semitic Christians here? The ones who go and provide free labour in Israel? The annotated Scofield bible preaches Zionism and Israeli sycophancy: https://www.wrmea.org/2015-october/the-scofield-bible-the-book-that-made-zionists-of-americas-evangelical-christians.html

Evangelicals love Jews, Jews hate Evangelicals: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/03/15/americans-feel-more-positive-than-negative-about-jews-mainline-protestants-catholics/pf_2023-03-15_religion-favorability_00-08/

You know why several of us think you're putting on an act? Posts like this.

I'm not even sure what you (and whoever "several of us" is?) are accusing me of.

I've been posting here since the /r/SSC days (mods here theoretically know what username I was using back then) without ever drawing the attention of the mods and try to keep to citable facts / widely held (within the left) opinions.

It’s a common progressive talking point. Is the author of the article he cited also putting on an act?

Do progressives in general take religion seriously, or only when doing so results in arguments that can be used against their opponents?

The argument being made here doesn't require progressive Jews to take their own religion seriously. It requires progressive Jews to think that pro-Israel evangelical Christians take their religion seriously.

To the extent that they take their own religion seriously, pro-Israel evangelical Christians are aligned with the Third Temple fringe of the Israeli religious right. Secular jews (particularly in Israel, but also in the US) hate the Israeli religious right with the same intensity and for the same reasons that secular Yankees hate the SBC.

It's a funny mental image. Evangelicals helping Jews build the temple and then they look at each other and say guess we'll see about that Jesus guy now.

Yes, yes it is.

It's not the Israeli religious right which wants the embassies to be in Jeruselam. Here's the leader of the opposition calling for the move. Trying to spin the move as somehow anti-semitic due to some out-there beliefs in evangelical eschatology is an extreme reach.

Progressive American Jews are not anti-Trump because of his policy - they are anti-Trump because of his coalition (which definitely includes the dangerous kind of evangelical, and arguably includes the kind of people who march through Charlottesville chanting "Jews will not replace us.") This is a perfectly good reason to be anti-Trump in spite of his moving the embassy.

includes the kind of people who march through Charlottesville chanting "Jews will not replace us.") This is a perfectly good reason to be anti-Trump in spite of his moving the embassy.

How does replacing the alt-right type of people (conservative white Americans) by progressives work out for the Jews? Not so well in higher-ed if you ask Ackman.

Can we say one way or another if bolshevik revolutions have been good or bad for the Jews as a group?

Once you've decided that support for Israel is anti-semitic, you might want to reconsider the rabbit hole you've dived into.

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