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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 6, 2023

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How are Jews responsible for Sweden's immigration policies and hate speech laws?

How are Jews responsible for the conclusion of WW2?

That is, MacDonald claims that the West would be markedly different if not for Jewish influence, but Europe, which lost nearly its entire Jewish population following WWII, has been on essentially the same trajectory as the United States for the last 80 years.

Sweden operates in a global economy, plugged-in worldwide telecommunications and global media. Sweden only dubs children shows. 86% of the Swedish population speaks English. They get American media, which sometimes means Jewish-influenced media.

Aside from that, I don't disagree that Europeans might just go that way no matter what.

Perhaps the natural, inescapable conclusion of European civilization is some kind of glorious fiery, but mostly peaceful protest.

I disagree with this guy. If Israel can't defend themselves from what he calls 'the third world' (Israel is not located in subsaharian Africa), then why should anybody else defend them? Why do they need our money?

Let these Israelis figure out a way to survive without begging, without running intense propaganda campaigns on Westerners. Get creative for once. Idk, offer some training, weapons and land to disillusioned Western youth similarly to ISIS?

Let's see an Israeli Roterham before we talk about Israel being the bulwark of the West. At least Israel has walls all around it.

Let these Israelis figure out a way to survive without begging, without running intense propaganda campaigns on Westerners. Get creative for once. Idk, offer some training, weapons and land to disillusioned Western youth similarly to ISIS?

It is happening. The dirty secret is that many West Bank settlers are people with minimal Jewish ancestry or just plain converts, often from unexpected places.

It is not official policy, but you want to make it one, you want Israeli government official outreach program to promote and evangelize Judaism and offer Israeli citizenship (with free sand and rock) to prospective converts?

Program racially limited to whites (I presume that by "Western" you mean White) to avoid recruits like this?

Well, if you want to make Middle Eastern situation more heated and volatile, this will work.

It is not official policy, but you want to make it one, you want Israeli government official outreach program to promote and evangelize Judaism and offer Israeli citizenship (with free sand and rock) to prospective converts?

I really don't care about the ethnic make-up or the future of Israel as a country.

Israel doesn't seem to mind taking American money from non-Jews, so why would the would-be settlers need to be converts?

Program racially limited to whites (I presume that by "Western" you mean White) to avoid recruits like this?

No, I think limiting the offers to people within a certain measure of competence would do roughly the same job. There are also plenty of low-quality White people that they probably would not want on their side.

It is happening. The dirty secret is that many West Bank settlers are people with minimal Jewish ancestry or just plain converts, often from unexpected places.

But the West Bank does not seem to be where the civilians are actually fighting back. This appears to me to be explicitly displacing civilians and stealing land, not 'fighting back against Hamas terrorism' or whatever thinnest veneer of justification Israelis claim for their bombing of Gaza.

There may be strategic justifications for that that I ignore, but again, this is all pretty removed from what that edgy guy writes about Israel being a prototype for Europe's ongoing invasions. Quite the contrary, Israel does not appear to be under invasion, it seems to be the one invading and expanding (in the West Bank at least).

I really don't care about the ethnic make-up or the future of Israel as a country.

You should. If Israel fails, Israelis will flee and settle in your country. I presume you are not very fond of Jews and are not eager to welcome Jewish refugees.

Israel doesn't seem to mind taking American money from non-Jews

Some Israelis do mind a lot.

so why would the would-be settlers need to be converts?

Because it would nullify the whole point of Israel (national home and place of refuge for Jews)

No, I think limiting the offers to people within a certain measure of competence would do roughly the same job. There are also plenty of low-quality White people that they probably would not want on their side.

People with "measure of competence" (living in developed countries OFC) have more options and opportunities than ever before. What could Israel offer them? Why would competent person want to live in trailer in the desert among people who really do not want him there?

Anyway, Israel is not lacking people with guns, Israel is not afraid of being overrun by mighty Arab armies.

Israel is afraid of being declared racist, fascist and white supremacist country and sanctioned like old South Africa. To avoid this, Israel needs to gain hearts and minds of people (elite human capital OFC, the masses will follow) in the Western countries and needs advocates, propagandists and tiktok influencers.

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If Israel fails, Israelis will flee and settle in your country.

Ok they can join the Somalis, the Iraqis, etc... Get in line.

I presume you are not very fond of Jews and are not eager to welcome Jewish refugees.

On one hand I have Jews who take my money and pollute my media, that I can't do anything about, on the other hand I have hypothetical Jews moving in my neighborhood I can actually shake down if I felt so inclined...
With the way European governments have been treating anti-Israel protests in the past few weeks (heavy-handedly compared to other similar protests/riots imo), perhaps if Israeli refugees arrived there, EU governments would start the serious crackdown on Islamic immigrants that is decades overdue?

Some Israelis do mind a lot.

One X frogposter. One. Also points out that US taxpayer money is given to all kind of Middle-Eastern countries that would be irrelevant if the US dropped 'the only democracy in the Middle-East' like the hot potato that it is. They actually agree with me. Good.

Why would competent person want to live in trailer in the desert among people who really do not want him there?

You're saying Israelis are incompetent? Perhaps the US really should drop them then.

Anyway, Israel is not lacking people with guns, Israel is not afraid of being overrun by mighty Arab armies.

Alright let's cut them off then. If Ukraine is so strongly winning the war, they don't need our money and ammo, do they?

Israel is afraid of being declared racist, fascist and white supremacist country and sanctioned like old South Africa. To avoid this, Israel needs to gain hearts and minds of people (elite human capital OFC, the masses will follow) in the Western countries and needs advocates, propagandists and tiktok influencers.

Israel needs to start aggressively platforming Steve Sailer, Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer, Nick Fuentes, Andrew Anglin, Ron Unz...

Ok they can join the Somalis, the Iraqis, etc... Get in line.

What is the percentage of Israelis who have dual passports?

Jews’ reverse immigration from Israel is on the rise

They would not be refugees, but citizens legally returning to their countries. Jews of Ashkenazi origin in Israel (these are the Jews everyone fears, no one is concerned about Arab and Ethiopian Jews) do have US or EU citizenship or are eligible for one.

European countries rules for citizenship by descent are more generous you would imagine.

"Second passport" is class marker in Israel. See the family in the link from my previous reply - they had US passports and could easily move to US with intent to "stay forever".

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One X frogposter. One.

BK is good representative of settler mindset.

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You're saying Israelis are incompetent? Perhaps the US really should drop them then.

People from first world countries who move to Israel do not come for prosperity, opportunity, safety or great life in general. They come because they want to live in holy land.

You proposed that Israel shall recruit "compentent" non-Jews who do not want to become Jewish. You need to answer what could Israel offer them.

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Israel needs to start aggressively platforming Steve Sailer, Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer, Nick Fuentes, Andrew Anglin, Ron Unz...

To make racism, colonialism and white supremacy popular and cool again? The last time when it was the case it was not so good for the Jews.

They would not be refugees

Why'd you call them refugees then? As you said, these people are already freely moving in and out of wherever I live. Nothing I can do about it, perhaps if we let the Arabs finish them off there would be fewer of them showing up at the border than now.

You proposed that Israel shall recruit "compentent" non-Jews who do not want to become Jewish. You need to answer what could Israel offer them.

Land, economic opportunities, women, idk? Whatever reason the Israelis want to live there in the first place.

To make racism, colonialism and white supremacy popular and cool again? The last time when it was the case it was not so good for the Jews.

When Britain gave zionists Palestine? How are Jews doing in Britain today?

You said:

Israel is afraid of being declared racist, fascist and white supremacist country and sanctioned like old South Africa.

Help making white supremacy cool again and perhaps they'll be safe from that.

Israelis come across as choosing beggars to me.

Israel will apparently quickly run out of allies if it's not even willing to support the continued existence of their nations. If Israelis expect white people to carry the bag for them eternally then I believe that they should have schoolkids recite this pledge every morning:

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.

Land

LOL. Desert land is available all over the world for free or equivalent of pocket change. No one is stopping you from buying few acres in Arizona and putting your trailer there.

economic opportunities

Double LOL. Have you ever checked Israeli wages, prices and taxes?

women, idk?

If you mean sex slavery, this would mean Israel turning into ISIS style shithole, burning all bridges with the rest of the world and relying solely on nuclear threat to survive.

Only most desperate psychopaths would sign up for such life.

Whatever reason the Israelis want to live there in the first place.

Israelis live there because they were born there, or, in case of immigrants from Russia, Ethiopia or other shitholes, because it is still better option than what they had at home.

I say again, people, especially "competent people" who come to Israel from the first world developed countries, do it because they believe it is holy land and want to live there.

When Britain gave zionists Palestine?

British were never known for "giving" something for free.

Britain promised Palestine in the most desperate days of WWI. When the danger was over, it first cut down the promised land by 4/5 ("Palestine" in Balfour dealaration meant what is today Israel+Palestine and today's kingdom of Jordan). Then the Brits were for 20 years "balancing" the Arabs and Jews by backstabbing them both in the usual British way.

Arabs: This is our land, we do not want any foreigners come here and take it.

Jews: This is our land, we want to come here, all of us.

Brits: You have to learn how to play together, chaps! Ever heard about compromise? What about ... Jews can come, but only 75,000 per year!

Arabs+Jews: Fuck you.

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How are Jews doing in Britain today?

Rather well.

Religion, education and work in England and Wales: February 2020

Employees who identified as Jewish had the highest median hourly earnings of all religious groups in England and Wales in both 2012 and 2018 (£15.17 and £19.22 respectively)

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Israel will apparently quickly run out of allies if it's not even willing to support the continued existence of their nations.

White nationalists/separatists/supremacists are not even on Israeli radar. The most important Israeli allies, outside of Jewish community, are evangelical Christians, and this movement is growing world wide - not counting people who support Israel because they hate Muslims.

For example, Latin America is in popular imagination seen as 100% Catholic continent. Used to be, but, in the last decades one fifth of Catholics left the church for evangelical churches and the trend is accelerating.

And these Evangelicals tend to be proudly Zionist. Israel is not going to have shortage of friends and allies.

How are Jews doing in Britain today?

Rather well.

Some disagree with you

Israel-Gaza conflict: British Jews most fearful for safety since 1945, Chief Rabbi says

British Jews are 'full of fear, like I've never seen before' "The Jewish community at the moment is full of dread, full of fear, like I've never seen before," says Justin Cohen, news editor and co-publisher of Jewish News. He talks of this anxiety playing out with a backdrop of intense trauma caused by the Hamas killings and kidnappings on 7 October.

Israel is not going to have shortage of friends and allies.

Great, they don't need my or my people's money then.

Old South Africa probably could have made it had they oppressed women harder. It fell because differing fertility rates by race turned the dominant minority into a small minority, international pressure was mostly an excuse.

How are Jews responsible for the conclusion of WW2?

Mostly through their work on the Manhattan Project.

'the third world' (Israel is not located in subsaharian Africa),

Neither is the whole third world.