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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 16, 2023

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That feminists want to use weird vocabulary terms doesn’t make them wrong, at least not inherently.

No, but that they are flip-flopping on their view of women makes them inherently wrong.

As @The_Nybbler points out, if you really believe women have less agency, you should oppose women's suffrage. If you, @hydroacetylene do, that's consistent.

But how many feminists do you know who oppose women's suffrage?

I do, in fact, oppose women’s suffrage, and my mental model of feminism is less ‘aiming at peaceable gender relations for a healthy society’ and more ‘class interest movement for professional class urban women to get the best possible deal, even if that defects on the commons a bit’. With that as a terminal goal, it is consistent to both talk about false rape accusations as if women have less agency and support women’s suffrage.

Of course I don’t have that as a terminal goal, and I think feminism is bad for that reason. But there’s no logical incoherency there.

But there’s no logical incoherency there.

Yes, there is. It's exactly what logical incoherency is.

Having a rational strategic reason to employ flawed arguments doesn't make them any less flawed or the the self-contradicting position any less wrong.

We were talking about whether feminists were wrong, not about whether they were acting irrational in support of their goals, and you shouldn't confuse "logically inconsistent" with the latter.

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