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PaperclipPerfector  1yr ago (text post)   3148 thread views

Friday Fun Thread for September 29, 2023

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Tired:

Relying on its prior opinion in Central Florida Nuclear Freeze Campaign v. Walsh, 774 F. 2d 1515, 1521 (CA11 1985), cert. denied, 475 U. S. 1120 (1986), the Court of Appeals held:

Wired:

Relying on its prior opinion in Central Florida Nuclear Freeze Campaign v. Walsh (F. ser. 2 vol. 774 op. 1515 (CA11, 1985, cert. denied (US vol. 475 order 1120 (1986)))) p. 1521, the Court of Appeals held:

Fired:

Relying on its prior opinion in *Central Florida Nuclear Freeze Campaign v. Walsh [citation omitted],

Hm. The latter uses 68 characters (without spaces) to convey the same information that the former uses 56 characters to convey. I think I prefer tired to wired.

The second format is big-endian rather than middle-endian, though. I hope you aren't one of those people who prefer 9/30/2023 to 2023-09-30.

Per your link, big-endian cites put the most important info first. If that is the case, why does the page cite come at the end, given that that is of vastly more importance than the fact that cert was denied, which is essentially legally meaningless. It adds nothing to the weight of the case as authority. And, the point of a citation is to aid the reader in finding the cited material; the fact that cert was denied does not do that.

PS: I don't understand "order 1120." 1120 is the page of the reporter than the order denying cert is published on, isn't it?

Think of it as a folder hierarchy on a computer. The "most important" item always is the folder at the top of the hierarchy—in this case, the reporter.

F[ederal Reporter]

Ser[ies] 2

Vol[ume] 774

Order [starting on page] 1515

The point of putting the informational stuff in parentheses rather than in parenthetical commas is to make it easier for the reader to skip over it if he wants to. I'm not a lawyer, but when I read court opinions I find the parenthetical commas rather confusing and annoying.

Central Florida Nuclear Freeze Campaign v. Walsh ([also known as] F[ederal Reporter] ser[ies] 2 vol[ume] 774 op[inion starting on page] 1515 ([further information: Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit], [year] 1985, cert[iorari] denied ([also known as] US [Reports] vol[ume] 475 order [starting on page] 1120 ([year] 1986)))) p[age] 1521

can be simplified to

Central Florida Nuclear Freeze Campaign v. Walsh ([also known as] F[ederal Reporter] ser[ies] 2 vol[ume] 774 op[inion starting on page] 1515) p[age] 1521

or

Central Florida Nuclear Freeze Campaign v. Walsh p[age] 1521

Of course, I am used to the standard form, so it is hard for me to say how others view it. But note that in legal citation, the most important material is often placed in parentheses. So it is usually a "read this" signal rather than a "it's ok to skip this" signal.

Is it the brackets? I like nested brackets too!

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