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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 12, 2022

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The entire point of sending them to Martha's Vineyard is that it was small and ill-equipped for the problem. Specifically, previous efforts to stir shit by bussing immigrants to major cities on the eastern seaboard failed to draw attention or rile up anti-immigrant sentiment (few noticed and no one cared - little enough surprise, as these are big cities and already have very large immigrant populations, including large numbers of illegal immigrants), so it was necessary to step up the shit-stirring. The defense offered - that this is about sharing the burden that border states have unfairly been forced to shoulder* - doesn't hold up to scrutiny. GOP-run southern states have made no serious effort to arrange for the large-scale transfer of migrants or asylum seekers to northern blue states, which is what you would actually do if you were burdened and trying to redistribute it. Instead they (Abbott and DeSantis) have done it about as inefficiently as possible, sending penny packets at considerable taxpayer expense and without regard for the welfare of the people transferred. That suggests that the point was either publicly owning libs or trying to rile up nativist sentiment.

(As an aside, I will not be at all surprised if it turns out that these people agreed to transportation under false pretenses.)

*whether or not it is actually unfair is another matter, considering the flow of Federal money and economic cost-benefit analysis of immigration.

Specifically, previous efforts to stir shit by bussing immigrants to major cities on the eastern seaboard failed to draw attention or rile up anti-immigrant sentiment (few noticed and no one cared - little enough surprise, as these are big cities and already have very large immigrant populations, including large numbers of illegal immigrants)

This is completely incorrect.

DC declared a public emergency.

NYC also considers a few hundred immigrants "emergency declaration" worthy.

There are hundreds of articles on this topic, and none of them have the Blue Sanctuary Cities taking a small bump in immigration with grace and aplomb. The freak-outs here are nakedly hypocritical and deserve to be called out as such.

The 'public emergency' releases funds to take care of arrivals. That's the extent of emergency here. Most people in DC have no idea this is going on and the people who do know don't care. There are no 'freak outs' - there's public officials annoyed that it was done with zero attempts to coordinate with local authorities. Which goes back to my point: Abbott/Desantis are not making a good faith effort to redistribute immigrants. Being as disruptive and disorganized as possible is the point, so they can talk about how owned the hypocritcal libs are.

The 'public emergency' releases funds to take care of arrivals.

So these sanctuary cities have no existing protocols for dealing with illegal immigrants? Their only response is to tap into funds for natural disasters?

it was done with zero attempts to coordinate with local authorities. Which goes back to my point: Abbott/Desantis are not making a good faith effort to redistribute immigrants. Being as disruptive and disorganized as possible is the point, so they can talk about how owned the hypocritcal libs are.

This is still histrionic. It's not like border states get a coordinated heads-up. Where's the good faith from Bowser, Adams, and MV? Why haven't they been spending their own money to help illegal immigrants get there before now?

It's not like border states get a coordinated heads-up.

Border states have multiple federal agencies dedicated to the matter and receive additional federal money (paid for by blue states) to help local agencies. If Texas is having issues and Abbott wants additional assistance, he can ask for it instead of engaging in maximally disruptive stunts.

Abbott has been asking for help for years, and instead he gets furors over false allegations of horsemen whipping Haitians.

Specifically, previous efforts to stir shit by bussing immigrants to major cities on the eastern seaboard failed to draw attention

Not true. The mayor of Washington D.C and the Governor of Illinois both called for the National Guard to deal with it. (D.C. was denied)

The mayor of NYC also got into it with Greg Abbott as I recall.

That’s incorrect. MV is a liberal stronghold where the wealthy Dem donors vacation. That’s why MV was chosen.

Boston, NYC, Chicago, and DC are liberal strongholds where wealthy Dem donors actually live. They're also large cities that don't really have a problem handling a sudden influx of a few thousand people, so they were failing to generate the desired controversy. Martha's Vineyard is small, remote, and unlike Texas doesn't have a lot of Federal money and Federal facilities designed to handle the flow of migrants.

They live there in gated or guarded neighborhoods, traversing the wretched streets with personal drivers or (if slumming it) Ubers. Dropping migrants off there and the rich won’t even realize, it’s not in their line of sight. MV requires their attention both physically and symbolically.

This is such a fantastical portrait of American cities it makes me question if you've ever visited one.

It’s possible you’ve confusing rich residents with 8 digit millionaire residents, or something. The very rich in SF, Seattle, Boston and NYC have their own neighborhoods, sometimes own drivers

Boston, NYC, Chicago, and DC are liberal strongholds where wealthy Dem donors actually live. They're also large cities that don't really have a problem handling a sudden influx of a few thousand people, so they were failing to generate the desired controversy.

I repeat: Not true. The mayor of Washington D.C and the Governor of Illinois both called for the National Guard to deal with it. (D.C. was denied). NYC Mayor Adams handled it a bit better but said New York was at a "breaking point"

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