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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 1, 2023

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Aint nobody got time for that.

Because to meet your nutritional needs, you need a hypothetical well curated extremely well thought out vegan diet, while a diet that includes meat can achieve that with 1/10th the effort and thought. This is not feasible for the vast majority of people and saying otherwise is hand waving the problem away.

Its like yeah you can hypothetically thrive and live a good life on a shitty minimum wage if your finances and spending are in perfect order, or you could just earn more and never think twice about upsizing your mcdonalds order.

Likewise I can eat steak and not think about vitamin B deficiencies ever.

Oh and I also dont give a shit about animals, ill eat them regardless.

You can also drink Kombucha, eat vegan yogurt, or take a supplement and not think about vitamin B deficiencies ever. It's really not that hard.

Lots of people in this thread who don't give a shit about animals apparently.

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I don't give a shit about non-human animals, especially the ones dumber than us.

You can't change my mind by arguing the point, it's a fundamental values difference. I don't really care much for the rights of stupid humans either, so I'm not just a species chauvinist.

The only way to change my mind would be outright coercion, and I'd fight for my right to do as I please, thanks.

Lots of people in this thread who don't give a shit about animals apparently.

Why should one?

I wouldn't go about being cruel without purpose, but nature is one big merciless energy stealing game, and I don't see why I should empathize with the enemy.

Giving a shit about things that aren't of your species is the behavior that I would consider weird, and insofar as it conflicts with empathy for your fellow man, transparently degenerate.

I'm not saying you do this specifically, but I think it's deeply immoral to ascribe more moral value to animals than humans in any situation.

Lots of people in this thread who don't give a shit about animals apparently.

Yes. This is the root of the matter. If they invent a wonder pill tomorrow that cures all micronutrient deficiencies, then meat consumption would remain virtually unchanged. Americans would eat their chickens and Chinese people would add a bit of cut up pork into their vegetables, etc.

The near total lack of concern and revealed preference lack of moral consideration for animals is more powerful than any nutritional argument. In some counterfactual world in which vegans were rock solid correct, Americans eating their hamburgers and Chinese people enjoying a bit of pork in their vegetables simply would not care.

In some counterfactual world in which vegans were rock solid correct, Americans eating their hamburgers and Chinese people enjoying a bit of pork in their vegetables simply would not care.

You can't just change the one fact in isolation, though. In some world where it was as easy to get nutrients from vegetables as meat, perhaps those diets would not have come about in the first place. Probably humans would not have, for that matter.

If you dont particularly care about animals or global warming there is just no upside to being vegan.

You can match a meat eaters diet with a shit ton of supplements and specially selected foods. How many places in the world do you think have access to... kombucha and vegan yogurt? But you cant superceed it.

Or you can just not do that and live a higher quality life where you eat better food, can eat all cuisines from around the world, can eat out with friends, not be a liability at road trips and dinner parties..

Well to be fair to jizzler, every service station in my suburb in Australia has kombucha in the fridge, and I live in a shitty suburb. Vegan yoghurt I don't see as much of.

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