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gog  1yr ago (text post)   Edited 1yr ago   6433 thread views

Where are the people smarter than us hanging out?

In Paul Fussell’s book on class (I think), he says that people are really worried about differentiating themselves from the class immediately below them, but largely ignorant of the customs and sometimes even existence of the classes above them. When I found SSC, and then The Motte, and stuff like TLP, I was astonished to find a tier of the internet I had had no idea even existed. The quality of discourse here is . . . usually . . . of the kind that “high brow” (by internet standards) websites THINK they are having, but when you see the best stuff here you realize that those clowns are just flattering themselves. My question is, who is rightly saying the same thing about us? Of what intellectual internet class am I ignorant now? Or does onlineness impose some kind of ceiling on things, and the real galaxy brains are at the equivalent of Davos somewhere?

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  1. Read my profile quote. I've been around the block less than some, more than others, but I've talked to and argued with CEOs and PE mavens and congressmen and senators and ivy league professors and local feudal lords; there ain't nobody smart, I know, I checked. In all reality, I suspect that above a 130 or so iq measurement becomes less useful.

  2. the gatekeeping problem is pretty tough. Compare /r/fitness to /r/weightroom, one open and active and useless one gatekept and brilliant but often painfully boring. Motte achieves it by demanding length, our reflexive logorrhea acts as a gatekeeping mechanism. I don't know that there's another mechanism that isn't ideological hackable to screen people.

  3. all groups are mixed. I'm still allowed in here, for example. There are brilliant people on Twitter and Reddit and TikTok and telegram chats.

I've seen this from a Silicon Valley / tech startup founder perspective. People who found successful tech startups or controls billions of dollars in venture capital investment are often incredibly out of touch, and unable to argue any point without relying on basic emotional appeals and other shitty rhetorical tactics.

Unfortunately most of finance and tech has become dominated by sociopaths seeking to maximize short term monetary gains instead of the naive, wild-eyed, optimistic engineers who first founded the internet.

Unfortunately most of finance and tech has become dominated by sociopaths seeking to maximize short term monetary gains instead of the naive, wild-eyed, optimistic engineers who first founded the internet.

This sums up the VC cryptocurrency scene

"there ain't nobody smart, I know, I checked"

yep, this is true. powerful people do keep "smart" people as pets but their smart people aren't that.

when i was growing up i had this fantasy that i'd pass all the tests and be whisked away a la ender wiggins, but the reality is that a super high G person is just a freak, like a six fingered man. Doing important things in the real world has to be done in a way that manages risk and politics, it's a team sport and just needs people who are smart enough and have all the other right characteristics.

I'm now a typical corposcum executive and no one accuses me of being smart but they sometimes notice that i get a lot of lucky breaks.

You'd think after years of exposure to Ivy League professors and other professional intellectuals like Krugman occasionally or, depending on your viewpoint, frequently beclowning themselves online that everyone would've had an Emperor Has No Clothes moment (mine was discovering Peter Thiel rips off Salena Zito tidbits to come off as smart) but perhaps Gell-Mann is even stronger a phenomenon than we think.

More likely, the most intelligent hyper focus on being the most right about their niche area of expertise and that is where their intelligence should be judged. Generalists will always be wrong on something and the best of their lot will just be the least (or least impactfully) wrong. Perhaps the area that needs attention now is the connectors between those two.

People still listen to Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity. At least Krugman has a Nobel and mainstream respectability so it makes sense to assume he's smart if you aren't too familiar with him.

Imagine the stupidest ideas you could come up with, somebody will probably defend them. Isn't that what happened with Flat Earth? I don't think it's because people are stupid. But there's always that temptation to assume that you're smarter than everyone else because you can actually defend something no one else will. Imagine if you were among the only people who could see that the Emperor really does have clothes that look invisible to most people, after all.

Many reddit communities have been ruined by overaggressive moderating. The gatekeeping is real in that regard even if the people are cool and helpful. I think there is always some implicit rules or norms, like for finance subs, index funds are always good, etc.

I'd even go further, if someone hasn't yet had issues with censorship/moderation on reddit, it is an heuristic that this person is not very mentally active/a free thinker.

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