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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022

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If you do not want people in your country who do not conform to the rigid social taboos of your culture, you shouldn't host the World Cup.

On the contrary, FIFA - owners of the world cup - disagree with you.

Qatar was always clear about what they want - no gays, jews, beer drinkers or other (to them) degeneracy. They asked FIFA for this and FIFA voluntarily gave it to them. They made the rules to visit them quite clear. So really, if you don't agree with the values of Qatar/FIFA, you shouldn't go to the world cup.

An equivalent might be showing up to a global sporting event in the US - say an NBA game - wearing a "1488 SS :swastika:" armband or the Islamic "death to Jews" equivalent. Or perhaps even something utterly innocuous elsewhere in the world, such as the word "nigger". If America and the NBA invited the world, this should be totally cool, right?

(Note that even this forum considers "1488" to be too horrible to allow. I originally started posting here using the handle "bigdickpepe1488" but was told by the mods that I need to change it, hence my current handle.)

It’s not too horrible to allow. It’s too much of a drive-by.

Consider a public auditorium which nevertheless bans soliciting. If you want to argue something, you’ll have to put in some effort rather than just broadcasting a slogan.

It’s not too horrible to allow. It’s too much of a drive-by.

And yet the mods don't seem to have much problem with my current handle. It's just as much a drive by, but from the opposite direction.

If you want to argue something,

I don't. I just chose the handle because I was amused by the contrast between bigdickpepe1488 and the actual discussions I'm likely to have here (which you can find if you look up the handle, it wasn't deleted).

Alright, after some mod discussion, we've decided we're going to ask you to change your nickname. Note that you can do this on the Settings page (kinda near the bottom, weirdly) and don't need to make a new account.

We're already seeing some moderate red flags here, and I'd request that you not pick another trolly/obnoxious name. We can and will ban you if this keeps being an issue, so, seriously, knock it off, yo.

And yet the mods don't seem to have much problem with my current handle. It's just as much a drive by, but from the opposite direction.

Actually, it's kind of trollish (yes, we get you're being ironic, hah hah, very droll) and I do have a problem with it, but we're not going to reflexively ban every obnoxious handle unless it passes a threshold that can be very precisely defined as "When we've had enough."

no gays, jews, beer drinkers or other (to them) degeneracy

FIFA did not agree to this. There were many agreements about allowing alcohol, not persecuting gays or public displays of affection, and accommodating Jews. But once it got close enough to the WC that FIFA would look too stupid cancelling it, Qatar simply reneged on all of their promises.

I don't see the contradiction. The Qatari government is bad for expecting their guest to conform to their rigid social norms. FIFA is bad for allowing Qatar to host the World Cup. People should not go to the World Cup. Three true statement, no contradiction.

Is the NBA and the USA bad for expecting their guests to conform to rigid American social norms? Or are you merely appealing to American cultural imperialism, "gays good islam bad"?

There are several Muslim players in the NBA. don't understand you point. (Also, the NBA is a national affair.)

The progressives see '1488 SS :swastika:' and 'a gay flag' as different! Just as you might see e.g. a US flag vs a shirt with a photo of black trans porn as different. I wouldn't care about any of those shirts if I saw them, but that's not an opinion anyone else holds.

And Qataris see "gay" rainbows and rainbows with a leprechaun and a pot of gold at the end of them as different. If people wanted to wear an armband with the latter on them I don't think there would have been an issue.

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