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That is certainly not the perception of Jewish Identity Politics, take Ben Shapiro for example. I doubt you feel that way about Jewish Identity Politics and the way it expresses itself in politics and culture. And even if you do feel that way about it, you are very far away from the Normie who perceives it as totally normal in the base case, but in many cases they view defense of Jewish Identity Politics as a moral impetus that falls even on non-Jews.
I do not believe the engagement of Jews with Identity Politics in how they socially, politically, and economically organize is because they are losers who are too stupid or degenerate or incompetent to survive in an honest meritocracy. Do you think that?
How is it we arrived at this point, where Jewish Identity Politics is a profound moral impetus, but White Identity Politics is just for people "too stupid, degenerate, or incompetent to survive in an honest meritocracy?"
I would say, however we arrived at this point, we use the same tools and levers to reverse this perception among normies. Normies, and people like yourself, have arrived at this bifurcated interpretation of Identity Politics based on the esoteric racial propaganda you have been exposed to since you were a child in various forms of your daily life. My opinion is not that we do normie outreach with political arguments, it's that we use the same tools to promote White identity as have been used to create your negative perception of White identity.
And maybe you think you arrived at your opinion of White Identity based only on rational argument and careful consideration. No you didn't- it's downstream of history you were taught, the stories you were told by your teacher, the material you were told to read in school, the movies you watch every time you go to the theater, the social causes taken up by Hollywood celebrities. If all of those things had conveyed a different cultural signal to you, you would also have a different opinion of White Identity, so it is for normies.
Yes, this is a Spencerian interpretation for how esoteric, racial moralization and demoralization signals in religion and culture are the key for directing the identities and behavior of the normies. Not going up to them and trying to convince them with arguments. That's certainly not how you or the normies became convinced that Identity Politics for Jews is great and Identity Politics for White people is degenerate.
To what extent does Ben Shapiro even represent a form of 'Jewish identity politics'? If anything, Shapiro is a Western chauvinist who generally frames his arguments in terms of pan-Western common cultural values, rooted in a Judeo-Christian tradition.
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Again, 'jews' are a monophyletic group, so identity politics for them makes sense. 'White people' are not, they're multiple groups, several of which hate each other, so identity politics don't make sense.
That is the funniest thing you have ever said, European peoples are incredibly more monophyletic than Jews, who themselves are 50% European among Ashkenazis. Even the notion they are descended from the Hebrews is dubious, compared to the more likely possibility of converts in the Roman Empire.
People don't even understand how static European race has been racially for thousands of years. A Spaniard from the south of Spain is more closely related genetically to a Norwegian than to a Moroccan.
Edit: I would also suggest that the intra-European racial animosity among Whites in the US- while I acknowledge that does express itself in different ways even today, it's still lower than it is between Jewish subgroups in Israel. And in any case the perception of Jewish Identity Politics among normies is not at all a function of the supposed monophyletic-ness of Jews, it's a function of the propaganda that has been transmitted to them their entire lives.
Do you have any evidence that “Jews” were “converts” in the Roman Empire? You yourself admitted they are only 50% European. The rest trace back to the ME and there is significant genetic overlap between different Jewish groups which suggests a common ancestry. Obviously there was admixture between them and the local populations, but to say it’s dubious they are descended from Hebrews seems to be incorrect by your own admission. To say it’s dubious is a massive jump that I have not seen any geneticist claim.
The archaeological evidence for the Kingdom of Israel is very sparse indeed suggesting, even if it existed in the first place, it was more illustrious as depicted in literary fiction than it was in reality. There's a dearth of material evidence and of course no genetic evidence to speak of connecting the biblical Hebrews to modern-day Jews.
Herod the Great for example was a convert. The question of conversion to Judaism under the Roman Empire is an open one and sure it's controversial and speculative. Run Unz has an interesting article on this, suggesting there many have been a Phoenician diaspora in the Roman Empire that had converted to Judaism to some extent.
In the end it doesn't even matter, it's still a very real and coherent identity simply by nature of the underlying mythology that has memed it into existence and into the deep-rooted consciousness of people who identify with it. It's more trivia but doesn't matter for any of the arguments I'm making.
That also applies to the taxonomical arguments. hydroacetylene is wrong that Jews are more monophyletic than Europeans when the exact opposite is true, but I don't think the taxonomy is relevant compared to the cultural signals embedded in religion, myth, and propaganda.
Except there is genetic evidence linking Jews to the Middle East. You just ignored what I just said. They clearly share a huge percentage of their ancestry with people from the Levant. Obvious there’s not a lot of evidence for what happened in the Bible/Old Testament because it’s not real. Most people who have studied the historical accuracy of the Bible know this. But the at doesn’t mean they didn’t originate in the ME and Jews who lived there. There’s not a lot of evidence for Thor or Zeus either. Greeks still existed in Greece. We have accounts from contemporaries writing about Jews in the ME. The same place that modern Jews share DNA from. I think we know what is more likely to have happened and it’s not what Ron Unz speculated about.
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How do you square this claim with millenia of intra-european warfare? Are you saying that you can't tell a Prussian from a Paddy? or a Paddy from a Wop?
Monophyly means belongs to a Clade descended from a common ancestral group not shared by other people- there is very much a European Clade that stands out among the rest of humanity, and Jews themselves are descended from the mixture of that Clade with a Near-Eastern mixture.
I don't even think it's a relevant question for your argument or my response to you. But all Europeans descend from the mixture of three constituent races: Anatolian Farmers (represented best by modern Sardinians who are nearly 100% of this admixture), Western Hunter-Gatherers, and Proto-Indo-European Steppe herders (most concentrated in Northern Europe). All Europeans are a combination of this ancestral group, and nobody else in the world is descended from that ancestral group alone. That is a clade that is unique to Europeans and only Europeans among everyone else in the world, from the Spanish to the Swede.
You are talking out your ass, per your own sources the vast majority of Jews are descended from a single Levantine source while the various sub-tribes of Europe seem to come from all over with distinct physiognomic differences betwern Iberians, Celts, Anglos, Scandis, Slavs, Greeks, Et Al.
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