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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 24, 2022

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from there on you might call it principle or just spite.

Thanks for answering honestly. I get this sense from most educated anti-vaxxers I talk to. I don't feel the same way but I understand how people would, and definitely think that the lockdowns were insane and over the top.

I never saw the social pressure and the social ruin coming until was already too late

Yeah luckily I was organizing some far-left local dance groups that totally freaked out - helped me see the writing on the wall very early. I wonder if people who don't associate with leftists just didn't understand how bad it would be?

Although apparently it's not very popular here, my calculus was more like - is it worth destroying all these important relationships I've built over the years, or risk taking a relatively untested vaccine? The choice was clear for me.

You mention principle, what is the principle here? If vaccine safety wasn't a problem, do you place your right to avoid government mandated drugs higher than social values?

For me the principle involved in refusing the vaccine was simple- white hot rage at people who took the pandemic seriously. The hypochondriacs of the world had already infringed against me, and now they dared to lash out at me for not dancing along to their tune on imagined risks?

There were a lot of deaths. What is your standard for taking a risk seriously?

I wonder if people who don't associate with leftists just didn't understand how bad it would be?

Quite possibly. I associate with them plenty, but I figured this was something that people were still allowed to make up their own mind about. Yet another topic on which some may have opinions they consider morally significant, but which in the end remains a private matter. Like electric cars, or vegetarianism, or what kind of companies you buy from.

You mention principle, what is the principle here? If vaccine safety wasn't a problem, do you place your right to avoid government mandated drugs higher than social values?

There are several principles at work. One I might charitably call bayesian thinking, or less charitably being a stubborn ass who'd rather trust his lying eyes than any number of wise mouths speaking words of wisdom. Another is not succumbing to unjustified social pressure so as to not validate people and trends who would wield it. Another is not playing along with government policies I disagree with, to the extend that I can afford to. I could come up with more, but really, spite is the most of it. And yeah, I draw something of an arbitrary line at anything being mandated to go under my skin, or be carried on my person, or anything other than lie at home in a drawer where I can forget about it. That just seems like the government overstepping its bounds, severely, and not something to be done unless there were no other way. And in the case of covid anything down to "do nothing at all and come through it fine" was another and a preferable way.

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