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As someone living the “not very well integrated brownish expat working a lot in high earning sector in the West” life it makes me rather nervous to see the calibre and the intentions of the people supposedly vouching for my interests in this debate.
The social contract I came here for is simple. I broadly like the society these people created. I don’t think a different people could/would create this society so I am happy people of broadly the same ancestry and culture stay in control of it. In exchange of living in it and having my children become a proper part of it I can pay a lot in taxes and generally be a modal citizen at the sidelines of the society.
I am aware of the costs I am imposing on the society here. I am pricing the residents out of the housing market, causing some wage suppression, watering down their culture and social cohesion and giving them mixed-race grandkids who doesn’t quite look like them.
The desirable scenario for me is that immigrants are not too high in numbers and generally similar in profile to me so that the tensions aren’t too big and our posterity assimilates without attracting too much negative attention.
The very undesirable scenario for me is that high profile individuals shout it to the regular people from the top of their lungs that their culture is worthless, their children are deadweights, and they will use armies of people who look somewhat like me to teach them a lesson.
This is a very dangerous game they are playing. Many PMC immigrants seem entirely incapable of sensing the zeitgeist and subterranean societal currents of the countries they are living in. The people from the subcontinent are especially bad at this
This was one of the better answers given here. The shouting of we will replace you and race wars now is a sign of complete and total insecurity. There's an Indian belief that the nation was hoodwinked out of eternal prosperity by evil brits.
Reality is far harsher, bio capital here kept getting worse, elites kept getting outbred by proles, people kept getting sanskritized and it was no longer Aryan in anything but name.
Three generations is enough to have grandchildren who look pretty much like natives unless you have primarily African ancestry or a much different physiognomy from the locals. The absorption only works with a smaller set of guest population like you described.
Were the Aryans not the ones who brought Sanskrit to India in the first place? Or are you talking about attempts to diminish the influence of the Persian high culture of the Mughals?
Aryan culture pre dates mughal culture which was low and not Aryan at all. The indo aryans were people who had origins in the eurasian steppe and played a pivotal role in the high civilization Aryavarta once was.
I don't know about attempts to diminish the influence of mughals, they lost, are irrelevant now and were never Aryan. Hindu nationalism is a low iq bio leninist ideology anyway, it denies the very Aryan origins to appease to middle castes and others.
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I think that the truth may be even harsher than that. The Indian elite were never "elite" to begin with. They never learned responsibility, they were never housebroken, and that is why the moment anyone with actual agency and an entrepreneurial streak showed up, they were able to run the table on them.
I suspect that the obsession with sanskrit is a variant of the same woke mind virus that is currently turning blue-tribe professionals into mental invalids something about the preoccupation with symbols and structural "isms" at the expense of real world competence seems eerily familiar.
In the meantime I would argue that "bioleninism" has only slightly more basis in reality than marxist-leninism which is to say slightly more than none at all. Clarence Thomas is arguably more "white" or "aryan" than you (or your internet crush David Fuentes) will ever be, because he has at least taken up the burden.
Aryavarta, the local name for what we were once as was definitely was a high civilization, modern day India, not so much today. At one point sumeria and greece were high too, you can't take away their history to claim that their present shortcomings represent the same people, they clearly don't.
This comment was a little personal regardless. I don't know david Fuentes and the word Aryan denotes people who have paternal lines from the eurasian steppe. It has existed in Sanskrit since it found usage. I never claimed being white lol. If by david you mean nick then you should know I've spoken only bad things about him.
Clarence Thomas is a learned person, yet he isn't Aryan and that's completely fine, he's doing well and did good things. Your remarks seem callous.
Are you arguing that Clarence Thomas is not a man of high culture?
How do you distinguish between being "learned" and "cultured", or between " highly cultured and low?
Aryan is a specific descriptor in Sanskrit. Thomas is an erudite man who has done well but that is not Aryan, the term has been in use by my culture since it began, way before it was used again by the other descendants in Europe.
It describes men of long lineages from the original line who stand by the values their ancestors lived by. These things have been fleshed out very well in the Vedas, Upanishads, all good Hindu texts and even the works of traditionalists like Julius Evola.
You just said that "the word Aryan denotes men of high culture" now you're claiming that it's just some Sanskrit nonsense, which is it?
it is a Sanskrit word for people who come from an Aryan lineage and act in accordance with the ideals that were laid down in the Vedas. My usage of that term has been totally consistent and Clarence Thomas is a man of high culture but not Aryan which is completely fine. I never claimed it to be otherwise, you can re-read my previous comments where I reiterate this twice in each of them.
So it is some Sanskrit nonsense then. Why do you beleive that I (as a non-Indian) should give a damn?
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I get the feeling that a lot of H1Bs just want to make their bag and go home: Vivek is pissed that not only that he's being treated as new money (because, well, he is) that he's also not getting any respect for being an Indian. Sundar and Nadella may be CEOs of American tech companies but he might as well be a Level 1 IT call center man for all the difference it makes to the average American.
And that's the rub. He wants respect and status, but you can't get that by sneering at the natives. Complaining about the football quarterback that goes home to fuck the prom queen outs you as a particular kind of nerd.
Nadella's got no room to complain; it's not like pasty white Steve Ballmer got a lot of respect.
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I don't think being "a particular kind of nerd" has anything to do with it. It all comes down to the "sneering at the natives". IE, if you're going to approach the natives with derision and hostility what reasons have you've given them not to respond in kind?
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