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But where do you think Saul got that Christianity from?
There were the apostles, who knew Jesus himself, and Saul confirmed with them that what he was saying was accurate. (See Galatians 2.)
Where Muhammad got Islam from? Where Siddhartha Gautama got Buddhism from?
I'm sure he did, otherwise we'd know nothing about him but instead would know about some other guy that did.
Do you really think that those three figures were gathering knowledge in the same way? That doesn't seem terribly likely to me. They seem pretty different in how they go about things.
I don't know what you're trying to get at there, but I don't see how it interacts with the purpose that I mentioned it for: to indicate that Christianity is not just Pauline, but accurately conforms to what the direct followers of Jesus believes.
No, probably not - each religion's foundation it a rare and complex event which surely has its own peculiarities. My point is rather that the founding of the religion traceable to a person is not some exceptional event - it happens and it's possible. My other point is that foundational concepts of Christianity - such as the sacrifice and the resurrection of Jesus - originated with Saul and thus essentially he couldn't "corrupt" the "true" Christianity any more than Homer could "corrupt" the "true" Iliad.
What do you think the early Christians were even doing, if they didn't think there was a resurrection?
If you look at the things say he received, it's clearly more than you're positing.
You have a framing here that feels like it's intended to allow you to be pretty dismissive, and it just doesn't feel very plausible to me.
The same thing other Jewish sects were doing, following their Rabbi. Surely, the earliest Christians - who probably haven't called themselves "Christians" yet - couldn't think there was a resurrection since Jesus was alive then. After his execution, the narrative of Jesus' resurrection (which is completely different from Jesus being Jewish Messiah who is not supposed to neither die - either for anybody's sins or at all - nor be resurrected) appeared and Saul of Tarsus was one of the people who endorsed and promoted it. Before those events, there could be early followers of Jesus, but there couldn't really be "Christianity" as we understand it now.
I'd just like to note that this is a step back from your earlier position that Jesus's resurrection originated with Saul.
Edit: I'd also add the qualification that the Messiah is not supposed to die, etc., per the standard Jewish interpretations.
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Correction: Saul says that Saul confirmed with them that what he was saying was accurate. Galatians was written by Saul if the accounts are to be believed.
And it is believed Pauline by basically all scholars. You think he was just being a devious liar in that?
Anyway, Acts also confirms contact with the disciples of Jesus.
No, I'm saying that Saul saying that Saul confirmed with James etc. that what he was teaching was correct doesn't tell us much because of course he would say that.
Only if you think him a devious liar, which, it seems, you do.
It's not about lying. People routinely interpret events the way that fits their convictions, and routinely dismiss things that may disagree with those convictions, often even without realizing it. That's why, for example, peer review in science exist. If somebody does some research which they believe is true, but then some reviewers point out the original researcher omitted or misinterpreted some facts and the conclusions are unwarranted, would it be correct to call the original researcher a "devious liar"? I don't think so.
I think we can safely assume Saul genuinely believed all he was preaching, and was convinced his Christianity is exactly what Jesus would want to happen. I can not know that for a fact, but I have no objection to assuming it. That does not contradict the fact that what we know as "Christianity" has been largely built by him and the veracity of all the claims ultimately goes back to him.
As a martial arts practitioner, I often encounter people claiming that they continue certain traditions - often claiming the same tradition coming from the same sources. Nevertheless, many of those people adopt radically different approaches and practices. How can that be? Are some of them - or all of them - liars to claim the traditional roots? I do not think so. Traditions are complex and changing with time, and different people take different things and develop them in different directions. Some directions flourish, some wither. Same tradition can be developed and embodied in many different ways.
Saul created his own embodiment of what he saw as a (quite young by then) Christian tradition, and that's largely what we know as "Christianity" now. For better or worse, there's no other. Even if there were, I think it'd be quite hard to claim one of them is more "true" than the other. But having none - at least none that is not traced back to Saul - what do we have to stand on comparing to Saul's Christianity?
I think you're right that that wasn't sufficiently warranted by what he said there (though it was clear that @BurdensomeCount thought that from elsewhere). Mea culpa.
That said, I think the chance of inauthentic development is substantially decreased by the continued contact with the apostles, and the approbation of the Pauline position, as seen in Acts 15 and Galatians 2. You may want to qualify that, but it's clearly the case that they agreed with at least elements of what he's doing, and it seems that they sent him on his journeys.
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Fair enough, yes I do that. I'm Muslim personally and we mostly lay the blame for the corruption of the word of God as given to Isa on Saul's feet.
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