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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 9, 2024

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But we aren't talking about socially adept. We're talking about three unrelated people vouching for you. Coworkers. Landlord. The waitress at your favorite diner. Your pastor.

It's not that hard.

This is anti-incel discrimination.

It's really not, your wife isn't allowed to vouch for you.

I'm an atheist (no pastor) and a homeowner (no landlord), and don't work in the same state I live in (most coworkers don't count). And furthermore, there's the additional qualification that I must know qualified people who are not anti-gun. Which doesn't hold, because I live in deep blue New Jersey. If you want to go the whole "if you don't have X friends who will swear you're moral enough to own a gun, you probably shouldn't own a gun" route, you're an opponent of gun rights.

I live in Pennsylvania and I can think of five people in NJ and another dozen in NY who would offer me a reference for a permit if I called right now. I don't get what you're talking about. This is an insane assertion.

I'm an opponent of gun rights for felons. I'm an opponent of gun rights for non citizens. And yes, I'm at best neutral on the gun rights of isolated loners.

Anyone can just join a gun club and within a month they'll have two guys willing to vouch for them.

I live in Pennsylvania and I can think of five people in NJ and another dozen in NY who would offer me a reference for a permit if I called right now. I don't get what you're talking about. This is an insane assertion.

Yes, you are more socially adept than many.

And yes, I'm at best neutral on the gun rights of isolated loners.

Then you are an opponent of gun rights.

Anyone can just join a gun club and within a month they'll have two guys willing to vouch for them.

I haven't tried to join a gun club in NJ, but I know in PA not just "anyone could join". Clubs are clubby; you needed a sponsor to even apply. And what the heck is the point of joining a gun club if you don't have a gun?

Then you are an opponent of gun rights.

I'm an opponent of gun rights for certain people, yes. As almost everyone is. You don't get to just announce some purity test, any more than BLM gets to tell me that it's Racist to want a police force.

Yes, you are more socially adept than many.

I'm a weird loner who hangs out on the motte. If I can do it anybody (sane) can do it.

And what the heck is the point of joining a gun club if you don't have a gun?

You borrow a gun at the range until you're ready to buy one of your own.

I'm an opponent of gun rights for certain people, yes. As almost everyone is.

Ah, good old "We've established that; now we're haggling over the price". The purity test is in the Constitution; it admits to some quibbling over exceptions (including felons and non-citizens, as well as minors), but there's no way in hell it admits to "loners" as an exception.

Why not?

Loners, or just "those who can't produce evidence that anyone trusts them," are a much more logical exclusion from the category "the people" than automatically excluding felons or minors or non citizens.

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