daguerrean
3d ago
It seems like he got the worst of both worlds. To everyone with any taste or class he looks like a low-class idiot with a bimbo whore wife, but compared to basically any non-obese 18 year old she looks awful. He should've either gone the Jerry Seinfeld/Leo Dicaprio route, laughed at the haters and had his fun or sucked it up and married someone tasteful. He's dealing with all of the cost and none of the benefit.
daguerrean
10d ago
and how he (probably, likely, definitely) had undiagnosed/untreated mental illness for a long time
I don't understand how this makes him more likable or sympathetic. I find it odd that people treat mental illnesses as something separate from a person that isn't reflective of the "real" them. But this isn't like some parasite was controlling his brain, his mental illnesses, if they existed, were just as intrinsic to who he was as his good qualities. I don't see how this is different from me saying "I'm really a nice guy I'm just suffering from untreated assholeism"
daguerrean
15d ago
daguerrean
4mo ago
You can’t ignore the widespread open celebration by the left of the United Healthcare CEO assassination. That surpassed any levels of sadistic glee I have seen regarding firing fed workers.
Bonobos are a similarly fake species. They used to just be regarded as a subspecies of or geographically distinct group of chimps. They were invented to create a species of “woke” or “feminist” chimps that scientists could claim represent what human ancestors were like because chimps are too warlike and patriarchal. This is a redpill most simply aren’t ready for.
daguerrean
6mo ago
This is why you might have heard of Bob Lazar.
This is the biggest cope I have ever heard about Lazar, he doesn't even address all his proven lies and fabrications about his own personal history.
daguerrean
6mo ago
Did he have any evidence? I would think if you were going to blow yourself up to reveal some information you would bring the receipts. Just reads like typical schizo stuff including the paranoia of people trying to kill him. Given the incompetence of his explosive device I think we should have a low estimate of his credibility. And after all that the entity you want entrusted with it is Fox News?
daguerrean
6mo ago
You don't get to call in sick with a doctor's note the day you're supposed to do the suicide bombing
daguerrean
6mo ago
For all the tough talk about the second amendment, how often does this actually happen? I know that no two situations are exactly alike (you never step in the same river twice and all), and I'm sure you can find plenty of reasons why analogous situations in the USA that didn't invite retaliation weren't really analogous. Maybe I am forgetting something, but where were the armed lynch mobs executing Catholic priests in the 1990s? Jeffrey Epstein, while most likely killed by somebody, it certainly wasn't by a lynch mob of 2A enjoyers. I've listened to a lot of true crime podcasts about cases in the USA where the obvious perpetrator escapes legal consequences but cases where that leads to vigilante justice are exceedingly rare. Completely unprovable, but I would be willing to bet almost anything that if this exact situation occurred in the USA the public response wouldn't be much different. As others have pointed out in response to his comment, KR himself is a prime example of this kind of larping.
daguerrean
6mo ago
your "catgirl" persona, which so many of your Twitter followers inexplicably seem to have bought
Wait, do some people believe Kulak is female lol?
daguerrean
6mo ago
The terminology of "grooming" is confusing here. It implies they were getting too friendly with these girls on discord and maybe sharing explicit links with them. Reading wikipedia all the accounts given are just straight up rape. I can only read this as deliberate obfuscation
daguerrean
6mo ago
You misread what I wrote. If you find pre-WWII population estimates of Jewry in Europe, published pre-WWII, as for instance in a Jewish encyclopedia, the numbers are lower than today’s estimates of pre-WWII Jewry in Europe. IIRC, by millions.
Really sorry to reply to this ancient comment, but I am having difficulty sussing out the facts in this giant thread. @2rafa and @To_Mandalay are saying that prewar vs postwar population counts of Jews completely destroys the revisionist narrative, you say it supports it. Does anybody have any sources on this? In theory this seems relatively easy to resolve factually. Chatgpt is hopelessly pozzed on this issue and absolutely worthless otherwise I wouldn't bother you.
Some people have enough heart to go around
Of course redditors would immediately understand the problem with this if after Dylan Roof’s shooting you had said “Damn. My heart to all White men today who will bear the racist fall-out of this mad man’s evil move” Most people just lack any self awareness or non-object level reasoning ability.
Edit: I know this is a lame boomerism “Imagine if the situations were reversed” but I can’t help it
The focus on amount of muscle fiber feels like pilpul. They are trying to get away with a distraction that ignores the elephant in the room, what about breasts? Breasts are undeniable evidence for sex (not gender) based division of labor. And unsurprisingly we generally find women doing the kinds of activities that are suited to performing with an infant on your hip occasionally nursing, slow moving activities in and around the home. I have to imagine in premodern times, before the advent of birth control that women were more or less either nursing or pregnant for most of their adult lives.
But it does not mean women were not hunting, because this period is also when people invented the bow and arrow, hunting nets and fishing hooks. These more sophisticated tools enabled humans to catch a wider variety of animals; they were also easier on hunters' bodies. Women may have favored hunting tactics that took advantage of these new technologies.
The fact that they seem to be counting fishing and setting nets as hunting seems like BS. While it is maybe technically true in a sense it obviously doesn't contradict the idea conjured up when one says "men were the hunters". I wonder if this is behind their uncited study of Agta people and they are counting insect gathering or fishing with a hook and line as hunting.
daguerrean
6mo ago
You wouldn't want her to anyway :) We are all each other's men with aspergers.
daguerrean
6mo ago
If one puts party over country
I am fairly confident they don't believe they are doing this, and they effectively believe that the interests of party and country are one and the same. It is not ridiculous to believe that a figurehead Biden presidency run behind-the-scenes by his handlers is better than a Trump presidency with a competent executive. After all, I'm not sure I wouldn't feel similarly about the reverse situation.
Christianity has, as a meme, proved itself to be pro-social, pro-growth, and pro-peace and we don't have a better replacement
I feel that in spaces like the motte this idea is taken so much for granted that it doesn't get the proper pushback it deserves. This goes back to the unfashionableness of internet atheism and the meta-contrarian nature of this space so Christians get away with all kinds of things nobody else would. A similarly bold claim about the value of wokeness would be absolutely destroyed here.
Honestly I have no idea if this is true. Christianity is certainly a successful meme (or at least it was) I can say that much, however is it pro-anything or purely parasitic? I'm not sure. I can say it certainly isn't entirely incompatible with civilizational flourishing, which is worth something and maybe places it above communism. But obviously the Roman civilization was able to grow and succeed prior to Christianity, so it's not like growth and all that was impossible without Christianity. Pro-peace? I have no idea, maybe to some extent but Christianity obviously isn't incompatible with war or genocide.
I feel pretty confident in saying you'll never get a majority of people to "believe" in Christianity in this ridiculous and performative way. If this is what Christianity is depending on in the future you might as well find a new meme because this one is past its expiration date. For all things there is a season, what was once adaptive is not always viable. Christianity's (supposed) pro-social aspects are unfortunately tied to a bunch of absurd factual claims that may have seemed more plausible centuries ago but are no longer so persuasive.
Edit: Meta-meta-contrarian fashion has turned back towards atheism. Keep up!
daguerrean
6mo ago
I'm not a Christian so my opinion here is pretty meaningless. What strikes me about this quote is just how thoroughly drenched in progressive language it is. "Chronically poor", "question patriarchy", "challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege", "re-imagining social structures", "making reparations." There is nothing explicitly Christian in the quote, the only reference to Jesus mentions him only to demonstrate the hypocrisy of Christians. This post could have literally been pulled from /r/atheism. I don't think it would be inconsistent (what do I know) for a Christian to believe the above, but wouldn't a believing Christian and pastor generally phrase it in a Christian way? Where are the Bible quotes? The parables? References to God or Jesus? This guy just reads like Jean Meslier
daguerrean
6mo ago
Maybe "ignore" is the wrong word and you could say "deny" instead, but 1 is exactly what I'm saying, they would deny the effect of fat-shaming on reducing obesity or deny that it played a critical role socially. They wouldn't say that fat-shaming had no effect on humans, but that it had no positive effect and generally not engage with the serious tradeoffs at play.
daguerrean
6mo ago
Freddie remains the king of boldly speaking truth to power by heroically proclaiming exactly what conservatives have been saying for decades. This problem is obviously based on very deep and foundational assumptions of progressive ideology and seeing this as a problem to some extent entails reckoning with the entirety of leftism.
As I see it, the leftist reasoning goes something like this. The last hundred years of psychology, sociology and neurology have chipped away at the idea of human agency, attributing more and more of our decisions and outcomes to factors outside of our individual control. Perhaps it is genes being identified that are linked to obesity or studies that have linked obesity to "food deserts" or poverty or systemic racism, the sum is that as we gain more and more knowledge about the causes of obesity less and less of it is left to personal agency. Agency becomes a sort of "god of the gaps". And while this is most apparent when it comes to conditions that are borderline clinical like obesity or serious social failings like crime, there is no reason that similar dynamics should not be at play in less medicalized failings like "being an ipad parent" or "having childlike pickiness about foods". Perhaps you only eat chicken nuggets as an adult because you were raised in an unprivileged background where your parents never exposed you to more adventurous cuisines? Perhaps you have some as-yet-unidentified gene that makes you "supertaster" and thus highly sensitive to flavors? Perhaps you have some kind of nebulous "trauma" and relying on comfortable childhood foods is therapeutic, I don't know, this sort of BS reasoning is trivial to makeup if you are in the right frame of mind.
The basis of this is viewing a human as an automaton, a deterministic collection of neurons with no ghost inside the machine. If a shoplifter or obese person is merely a product of their environment (or nature) then a picky eater is really no different. All things must be permitted.
Of course I disagree vehemently with leftists here. I don't necessarily disagree on viewing a human as an automaton, after all I am an atheist and a materialist, so I can't claim that humans have some ineffable soul that directs their actions and is responsible for agency. However, I think leftists ignore the degree to which social attitudes and shaming are part of the very environment that inform our actions. For example, taking obesity, I agree that obesity is largely driven by genetics, food environment, sedentary lifestyle/occupation etc, and none of those things are really "personal agency", however, part of that environment is "social pressure to be non-obese", in other words, fat-shaming.
For some reason leftists tend to consider shaming and social pressure as completely irrelevant factors of the environment. I've brought this up in discussions on reddit, that maybe "fat-shaming" actually effectively helps people maintain a healthy weight, and this idea is usually met with disdain. However, leftists are highly inconsistent on this point, as they surely believe shaming people for racism to be highly effective and critical in stopping racism.
In my mind the ascended POV is to recognize that humans are largely controlled by their environment, but to recognize the critical role that shaming has played throughout human social history as one of the most important parts of that very environment.
Strategy games have always had a degree of DEI in the past, usually overstating the accomplishments of various factions. Even Civ itself had cope wonders.
I don’t understand (but in some sense I obviously do) the obsession with Tubman in particular. Frederick Douglass was vastly more prominent and famous in his lifetime, especially in the prewar period. Are black women leaders really that much more valuable to DEI types than black men? It’s not like we have any black men on currency either, so why not push for Douglass or some much more universally hallowed figure like MLK?
Edit: I'll just add, although seemingly forgotten by comparison Sojourner Truth was also a black woman and actually somewhat famous and moderately known pre-war, something that can't be claimed for Tubman.
Some stats: I searched newspapers up until 1860 on chroniclingamerica and although the record is extremely limited the relative frequencies should hold. Number of mentions:
Harriet Tubman: 1
Sojourner Truth: 104
Frederick Douglass: 2003
daguerrean
6mo ago
Not surprising given all the positive attention the United Healthcare CEO assassination got, these things are known to inspire copycats so I would not be surprised if there were a few more attempts in the coming months.
daguerrean
6mo ago
Very good point. Worth noting the resulting parallels to 80s Satanic Panic. There definitely seems to be an element of choose the form of your destructor in that the dominant culture defines the form of its opposition.
daguerrean
6mo ago
I like this idea very much, but I would caution you to be selective about the userbase and not promote it too widely as it seems easy to abuse and depends upon having relatively neutral users that aren't just going to slam the slider to 100 or 0 and downvote every piece of evidence on the wrong side. So I question whether an open forum like this will ever be successful. I would love to do, not exactly an "adversarial collaboration" (as have been popular here in the past), but a collaborative investigation of one topic or claim like this but just restricted to a personal project amongst friends the goal of which would be to produce something similar to Scott's deepdive posts
I think this is actually sort of analogous to women allegedly preferring "dad bods". I don't think any woman genuinely finds a dad bod more sexually thrilling in isolation, but for a woman self-conscious about her own weight the idea of a man that lives at the gym and eats a stricter diet than a supermodel just sounds intimidating and miserable. I think 4chan NEETs are not necessarily attracted to a NEET girl so much as they just imagine that she will be attainable and have low standards in men and make their own failure less humiliating.
My understanding is that women are in more unanimous agreement about the attractiveness of various features. For example, tall is considered more attractive than short by probably 99% of women. It's just that women place less emphasis on attractiveness relative to social status/dominance, confidence and so forth. Men are more varied in their physical tastes, a nontrivial percentage of men seem to genuinely prefer mega-obese women not merely as a compromise of necessity but as their first choice. But irrespective of their physical preferences, physical looks are regarded as much more important.
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