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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 2, 2024

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Calin Georgescu's "Holocaust Revisionism" amounts to praise for Romania's WWII wartime leader Ion Antonescu, who was in the 90s still well-regarded among anti-Communist sympathizers. Antonescu's image was dinged some as Elie Wiesel Commission did its relentless Holocaust guilt-tripping campaign

is definitely a Holocaust Revisionism. Specifically "Calin Georgescu's "Holocaust Revisionism" amounts to praise for Romania's WWII wartime leader Ion Antonescu" part.

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Not only that, but it's pretty odd to say "Calin Georgescu's "Holocaust Revisionism" amounts to praise for Romania's WWII wartime leader Ion Antonescu" when it's followed by a quote indicating that Georgescu also praised Corneliu Codreanu, whose antisemitism was absolutely under zero doubt by any standards.

AFAIK noone in this thread claimed that "praise for Romania's WWII wartime leader Ion Antonescu" is automatically "Holocaust Revisionism"

But that is what the AJC is claiming and that is what I am responding to my OP you have quoted here. The AJC has accused him of Holocaust Revisionism based on his praise for Calin Geogescu. I have asked you and @Amadan to explain how that is Holocaust Revisionism. You continue to refuse to do so, except for just saying "it's definitely Holocaust Revisionism." How?

I'm a Holocaust Revisionist, so I know it when I see it! I want you to explain to me why Calin Geogescu praising Ion Antonescu as a national hero is Holocaust Revisionism. Don't just say it is, make a simple argument for why that statement is true.

You just openly and shamelessly do this double-speak and then freeze up when asked to lay out clearly why what you are saying is true. And then you accuse me of dishonesty.

I have asked you and @Amadan to explain how that is Holocaust Revisionism. You continue to refuse to do so, except for just saying "it's definitely Holocaust Revisionism." How?

I answered here as follows:

Can you Amadan, parse for me why a Romanian Nationalist praising a Romanian Nationalist leader constitutes Holocaust Revisionism?

I didn't say it was. But much of the objection to this Romanian nationalist was because of (a) his own anti-Semitism (which, again, you just claim doesn't exist and is also a good thing) and (b) the involvement of the leader he's praising in the Holocaust (which you... well, see (a)).

In no post did I say that praising Antonescu is "definitely Holocaust Revisionism." I would argue that it certainly implies support for the Holocaust, and is very likely indicative of a Holocaust revisionist, but neither I nor @spiky_fungus claimed that mere praise for Antonescu is in and of itself Holocaust revisionism. If someone praises Hitler and says he was a great man, I'd strongly suspect a Holocaust revisionist (or else an open Nazi who thinks the Holocaust happened and it was good), but obviously the statement "Hitler was a great man" is not in itself saying anything about the Holocaust (except by implication) and thus it would be incoherent to say it's revisionism by itself.

@spiky_fungus is accusing you of Holocaust revisionism by pointing out that downplaying Georgescu's role as "praising a Romanian wartime leader" is revisionist. You can argue the point (for example, by claiming that that is in fact all Georgescu has done, or by claiming that Antonescu did nothing wrong), but you haven't even attempted to do that.

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