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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 25, 2024

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I think it's simpler. We might ask "is there a perceptible statistical relation between an artist's identity and the music they make?" I think the answer to this is clearly yes. This is probably most obviously true with with black people but it's not hard to suppose a case for others. Think about how much music is about love and relationships, for example. Might gay people enjoy a song more if the lyrical content was aligned with their own attraction? How many straight guys are singing songs pining for their lost love (another man)?

This isn't to say that only people of a particular identity can make a particular sound or that people of a particular identity must have a particular sound. Just that there is a perceptible relation such that consumers can use artist identity as a kind of crude filter for sound.

Obviously there's a strong correlation between one or more of an artist's various identity markers and the style of music they perform or its lyrical themes, but I don't think that implies that audiences are more likely to enjoy music created by people with whom they share identity markers. Jazz is a niche genre, but probably more popular among white audiences than black despite being a historically black genre; hip hop has been more popular among white urban audiences than country music for as long as hip hop has existed, and this was true even when hip hop was pretty much exclusively a black genre; K-pop is enormously popular among white girls and women; numerous gay musicians have found large followings among straight people and in some cases are even more popular among straight men than straight women (e.g. Elton John, Freddie Mercury of Queen, George Michael, Morrissey of The Smiths, Rob Halford of Judas Priest, Sam Smith, Boy George, Ricky Martin).

Sure. My point is that consumers use artist identity markers as a way to find kinds of music. Obviously the consumers don't have to share the identity markers to like the music.

hip hop has been more popular among white urban audiences than country music for as long as hip hop has existed, and this was true even when hip hop was pretty much exclusively a black genre

Because country is red tribe identity music, and that’s the actual definition. Not ‘white’ identity music more broadly, because broader white identity doesn’t exist.

In any case I’d imagine the most popular music among urban whites is generic pop music.

In any case I’d imagine the most popular music among urban whites is generic pop music.

Much of which is performed by ethnic minorities (The Weeknd, Bruno Mars, Olivia Rodrigo, Rihanna, Shakira, Usher).

Sure, but it bears as little resemblance to actual hip hop as Taylor swift’s most recent album does to Johnny cash.

Yes. So? Both pop music (created by an ethnically diverse range of musicians) and hip hop (traditionally a black genre; black musicians still create the preponderance of music in the style) are extremely popular among white audiences.

You're close to it - it isn't (necessarily) that the listener shares an identity marker with the artist. It's that the artist shares an identity marker with other artists the listener has previously enjoyed and they're taking that as a meaningful signal.