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naraburns  nihil supernum  9d ago (text post)   26700 thread views

U.S. Election (Day?) 2024 Megathread

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It’s not super complicated. Dems have been courting them for decades, but apparently in all that time somehow never internalized the fact that Hispanics are Uber-Catholic. You insist on framing abortion as the issue of the election, and this is what you get.

the fact that Hispanics are Uber-Catholic

No they’re not. Latins retain a Catholic majority but the bright spots in the US Catholic Church are driven by white ethnics and Hispanic under-50 religiosity is heavily evangelical.

FWIW: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/04/13/among-u-s-latinos-catholicism-continues-to-decline-but-is-still-the-largest-faith

Table near the top show Catholicism at 43%, 30% unaffiliated (agnostic, culturally catholic?),15% evangelical, and the rest who cares.

There's also an issue that some of the biggest hispanic groups are from leftist/anti-American latin america states, which adds an anti-communist/socialist element to it.

Latinos are also generally more socially conservative and much more entrepreneurial.

So none of this should have been a surprise. They react poorly to attempted longhousing because of patriarchal culture.

Yeah, and what's crazy is that white women didn't even swing that much more towards Harris.

The idea that abortion is some killer issue for Dems is overblown. Most people are somewhere on the middle on abortion, and actually a lot closer to Trump's position than to Harris's.

Killing a fetus with a heartbeat and recognizable fingers seems very wrong to a lot of people. And women will naturally feel the greatest revulsion. The Dems had a winning formula with "safe, legal, rare". They threw it all away for "shout your abortion" and other insanities.

The idea that abortion is some killer issue for Dems is overblown.

I think that the whole - it is a states issue finally penetrated into the thinner side of the thicker skulls. As in - I can fight in my state. Which makes local politics higher stake, but national lower.

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