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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 28, 2024

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Okay, so what do we get for it?

That’s like demanding a car ban because you enjoy biking. Directional agreement is not a blank check.

As @07mk says, what you get is more secure elections. You want secure elections don't you?

We'd get more secure elections and, likely more importantly, the perception of more secure elections as judged by the electorate. And personally, "we," the people who agreed to take this costly action, would gain actual knowledge that wasn't there before, that we actually do care about fair elections and are not merely convincing ourselves that we care about fair elections.

I really don't understand the push against election security. In all other areas of government regarding probity and integrity, there is an understanding that the appearance of integrity is just as important as the integrity itself. It's such low hanging fruit to institute controls that are commonly found throughout the rest of the free world.

I don’t think there’s so much low-hanging fruit.

We already do physical ballots. Chain of custody. Adversarial counts. Auditable trails. What specific things do you think are missing?

I’d argue that most of the reasonable additions wouldn’t actually add integrity or the appearance of integrity. Not when one party has made skepticism a brand. Require ID, they blame the count. Confirm the recount, now it’s the voting machines. You could have OP’s transparent urn and someone would still go on Fox to say George Soros was behind it.

Foreign students are voting in Michigan. Bonus, the vote will count!

The only reason we know about it is because the guy asked for the ballot back. Simply don't snitch on yourself and you're home free.

This should be impossible. It is both trivially possible and unrecoverable.

Seems like low-hanging fruit to me.

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