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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 21, 2024

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Bryan Caplan wrote a post about India. Suffice to say that India is nothing to be long on, it is a leftist anti upper caste dystopia that hates anyone and everyone who does well. Also it is 1.5 billion people, grouping them together as one is never a good idea.

I never could identify much with the indian identity because i knew for a fact that I have nothing in common with people from Tamil Nadu or Assam. Again, my case is very different because my ancestors were the rulers of this place since the beginning of cilvilisation so we get far more flak. For the curious readers of the motte, I will put up some links to help you understand why living in a democracy is not wonderful at all, especially a bioleninsit one.

You have government schemes where people get paid a million indian rupees to marry into alleged lower castes, what is even better that I cannot criticise any of it due to the sc st act where you get jailed first and the person accusing you gets paid close to a million Indian rupees within a weeks time. What is even better is politicians calling for openly seeing women of higher castes as war brides. I recommend places like desimeta and twitter where you have anon posters to get a real glimpse of what this place actually is like.

Indian on average is not smart nation, it has pockets of really smart people but the average Indian is not smart at all, never was which explains how clustering came about here, so that you could get a pocket of smart people (this is what I have been told, i might be wrong). This is also why most Indians qualify themselves hard. it is more convenient for them to believe that euros are evil stupid people who got lucky and are afraid of smart Indians taking their jobs than it is to believe that people hire Indians because of cheap labour. This is hilariously untrue, and I am not someone who is a self-hating Indian, I have to specify this again and again because I don't see many actually ever posting stuff like this or admitting that there are far far more scams being committed here or how people have genuinely shit diets and hygiene practises. most normies cannot grasp nuance, so if I ever tell people that I am Indian and the stuff wrong with my nation, they would probably think that I am like the average guy, even though the word Indian itself makes little sense given that you have many people here. But if intellectuals in places like Berkeley clump all white and black people together as one, then I cannot blame normies either.

I would say that 20 percent of the Indian expats I know are extremely talented and genuinely good people, yet at the same time India having dirt cheap labor and a culture where people hire their friends in firms that they can get a foothold in is also true. I know how most people migrate and it is usually by means that are hilariously illegal and immoral. I can understand limited migration but mass migration of any capacity is something I find evil, extremely evil. Winning in India means escaping this nation, either physically or through living in bubbles. This nation is doomed, you cannot even vote such problems out since upper castes are a minority. So if you ever see two random strangers interact where they want to get laid, you would see them talk in English for instance since that is one indirect way of communicating status, similarly, your accent and how you dress up or what your tastes are is a good indicator of this stuff.

It is bizarre for me to see people celebrate Halloween and completely forgo traditional festivals. I am 24 and this is happening at a pretty fast pace. So why exactly are people long on a country that has slowed down economically, exports its best people to the west or to fight in its armed forces and is built on extracting every drop of blood from its people, I will never know but I am not one of them neither should you be. Not admitting basic issues like the ones I listed above is the first step to actually fixing things after all.

The bullish case for India is that it’s huge, almost certainly underperforming its potential, and population+location guarantees its going to be an important country for the foreseeable future, with important countries often having a way of attracting investment. It’s also seen economic growth recently. And unlike sub Saharan Africa, it has high-HBD groups living there even if the average is low, so India can come up with enough people to keep the lights on. Plus labor demand elsewhere in the world should benefit India because they’re pretty much perpetually going to be a low bidder.

Indians hbd potential isn't very high at all, there are se smart ones but their number goes down each year since iq is heritable. It's not just ya money thing, Bhutan is not that much better off yet safer and cleaner.

The government will never let any foreign firms make money here, despite cheap labor. They had 70 years, they chose the opposite everytime.

bioleninist

There were opinions polls where India was amongst very few countries where majority answered positively to question if it it's good to use genetic technology to improve future children intelligence...

Do you think it's wrong or irrelevant, or it's just Indians here have bias to answer "yes"?

They don't usually understand it very much tbh. Bioleninism is a word spandrell coined, India fits the bill.

This nation is doomed, you cannot even vote such problems out since upper castes are a minority

Even smarter and more homogeneous nations struggle a lot.

It took 40 years, untold billions of $ and much woe for Swedish nation to start thinking, collectively, maybe we shouldn't be importing refugees on a massive scale.

if I ever tell people that I am Indian and the stuff wrong with my nation, they would probably think that

You could just refuse to identify as Indian and use caste & state or point out that India has the cultural and generic diversity of a continent, which it has. Even a normie should understand that. Ask him if he thinks Finns are the same as Italians perhaps . .

Swedes can deport their problems away, India can't. Sweden is for swedes, India is for the OBCs (legal classification for shudras) and below exclusively.

There will be a civil war if the nation tries to change its founding myth, much like the heritage stock in the US, the cathedral won't want us to have a semblance of our nation back

Sweden is for swedes,

Pretty sure saying this in Sweden gets you ostracized.

I'm not sure about that anymore, they had a non-SD minister proudly say that for the first time in 40 years Sweden expects to has negative yearly migration.

“The Government’s efforts have produced results. The number of asylum applications is looking to be historically low, asylum-related residence permits continue to decrease and Sweden has net emigration for the first time in 50 years. This development towards sustainable immigration is necessary to strengthen integration and reduce social exclusion,” says Minister for Migration Maria Malmer Stenergard.

Member of a 'Moderate Party'. Looks very much like she heads a HR department for a multinational, even.

Even smarter and more homogeneous nations struggle a lot.

It took 40 years, untold billions of $ and much woe for Swedish nation to start thinking, collectively, maybe we shouldn't be importing refugees on a massive scale.

While I'm not going to defend Sweden's migration policy, I think you'd much rather be a victim of your own success (which is where progressivism comes from) than your failures.

It seems that the US gets all the smart Indian immigrants, and the rank and file are inundating Canada and causing dire effects on the quality of life there.

Not by much, Canada's issues are things us and rest of the west will face soon.

I doubt it. Greencard wait time for indians is something like fifty years.

This is so naive as to be scarcely believable. There are at least 11 million illegal immigrants in the US, but the true number is likely much higher. (DHS pegged the number at 11 million in January 2022 for reference).

People from India now fly to Mexico Nicaragua to cross the southern border. And who can blame them? It feels like a great strategy.

There are certainly some number of Indian illegal immigrants but for now it’s a relatively small proportion of the total. This is because overseas Indians often like to visit home and if you’re illegal in the US (especially from Asia rather than just across the border) you can’t ever leave by normal methods like flying out and back in. Easier to go to Canada where visas are plentiful and you can come and go as you please.

There have been 169,000 Indians encountered on the border since 2020 according to one article I found. So you're right it's a small percentage of the overall total. This, of course, does not reflect the number of Indians currently illegal in the US, which could be a lot of things.

In any case, I was reacting to the idea that the number of Indian migrants is constrained by legal migration channels. It is not. It is constrained by border security, of which we've had very little since 2021.

What does that have to do with anything? They're crossing illegally from Canada, and like the rest of the world, they are falsely claiming asylum and dropping anchor babies.

The Indian immigrants are mostly men and based on the Canadian posts they can't really find any women to marry. So I don't think there's a lot of anchor babying going around.