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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 9, 2024

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Springfield's city government estimated around 12-15k immigrants "in Clark County", on the FAQ, though it hasn't been updated in a while. Clark County as a whole has closer to 110k citizens, though a large portion of those not in Springfield proper are closer to Dayton or Columbus. 20k immigrants is a lot more plausible than you'd expect, especially if you start to include people who get dropped there and then migrate to other nearby towns, and given the extent that the Biden administration doesn't really care how disruptive it is.

Ohio wildfowl are a mess, both geese and ducks, not helped by the recent very dry conditions. You'd get in trouble with the feds for taking a baseball club to 'em, but you would be really hard pressed to run out, and at least no one credible is alleging that there's an entire army trying to depopulate the wildfowl rather than a few bad actors doing it.

The cat video going around is in reference to a (presumably not-mentally-well) lady in Canton, Ohio (aka Cleveland), about two hours drive northeast of Springfield. Her public defender suggests that she's not a recent immigrant and may even be a citizen, but not seeing a ton of confirmation on that.

Springfield's city government estimated around 12-15k immigrants "in Clark County", on the FAQ, though it hasn't been updated in a while. Clark County as a whole has closer to 110k citizens,

We're still talking about a relatively enormous influx then though.

Yes, and this is a lower-bound, both because it's older information and because it's almost certainly incomplete.

Conflating Canton with Cleveland is a misnomer, Canton is about an hour drive away and doesn't share any local government services with Cleveland . The likelihood of any significant cross pollination between impoverished Clevelanders and Cantoners(?) is pretty minimal unless Cleveland is buying a one-way bus ticket for the mentally ill.

Fair. It's a little closer than Dayton to Cincinnati, but there are distinct cultures from Cleveland to Akron to Canton.

Man, that Yahoo article really trips my trigger. JD Vance lied they say! What did he say?

On X, formerly Twitter, Vance amplified bogus “reports” that “people have had their pets abducted and eaten by people who shouldn’t be in this country.”

What's their refutation?

Springfield, Ohio, has been a hub for immigrants, and particularly Haitian immigrants, in recent years — contrary to Vance’s tweet, they are here legally — but there’s no evidence at all for these viral claims.

Whether they're here legally or not doesn't refute the claim that they shouldn't be in this country. Perhaps this is a genuine point of confusion, but I rather doubt it. There are many people that are here legally that I think should never have been allowed into the country in the first place. Their current legal status isn't even an attempt to rebut the claim that they shouldn't be here.

To be fair, a lot of people, including (especially) many reporters are pretty unfamiliar with the broader set of categories of immigration law and status, and Haiti is kinda in the nexus of a bunch of different things. But yeah, there's a lot of tendency for pro-immigration writers to conflate descriptive and normative statements.

Assuming that there are in fact not reports of Haitian immigrants eating cats, then I think it’s pretty fair to say Vance was lying.

Whether “people who shouldn’t be in this country” was intended to imply illegal immigrants or just immigrants generally is unclear, but it’s also secondary to the eating cats thing. That’s the main thrust of what Vance said and it doesn’t seem to be true.

It also doesn’t mean they are here legally. They may be judged to be here illegally in the end.

A large portion of Haitians are under Temporary Protected Status (TPS), with almost all recent immigrants under the humanitarian parole programs (either CHNV or HFRP), rather than asylum parole or parole-with-conditions programs, which makes things... complicated. There are a few ways for someone under these categories to be present illegally, either due to failing background checks or fraud on the part of their sponsors, but it's very unlikely that even a significant portion will be found here illegally.

((And even of those who were originally entered illegally, after ten years 1229(b) kicks in -- that was a big unspoken part of the recent Campos-Chaves v. Garland case.))

You'd get in trouble with the feds for taking a baseball club to 'em

You and I would, but apparently all it takes to ignore international treaties is to be form a shithole country while living in the Midwest. I pick up an eagle feather from my yard and I my conscience reminds me how there's zero-tolerance for feathers and it doesn't matter where you get them from because you're presumed to be guilty. I don't care about the geese, I care about the tyranny of the government with respect to Whites and anarachy with respect to blacks and other minorities. I care about how I was raised to follow rules and respect the law and I'm a fucking sucker for ever believing such bullshit, because Haitians just kill the geese and eat them, they're free.

I don't care about paper citizenship, so whether or not this woman was foreign doesn't rely on how long she's been living where, or which papers she had. She does look like she has significant european admixture, though, unlike goose man.

I once knew a white RN- so a respectable citizen- who would capture ducks from a public park and keep them in her backyard until they ran away, in the hopes that they would lay eggs for her to eat. The migratory bird act is mostly enforced against hunters, not anyone else, and this is due to apathy and/or law enforcement not thinking to look at random crazy people in the park. Like seriously this woman chased them on a kayak and the cops didn't do shit.

I can well believe that some migrants get away with grabbing geese out of the public park. The ducks are certainly free and you can take them home.

Also why my conscience is pinging on bald eagle feathers, not mallard, goose, or crow.

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