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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 26, 2024

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Riding a bicycle is dangerous. If you spend much time on the road, you're competing with trucks and cars and buses. Speed is moderate and protection is low. Only motorcycles and helicopters are more dangerous.

note that applies only in areas without real bicycle infrastructure

engines are most efficient for travel and you can do something else at the same time, recouping some value. Even if it's just fantasizing or pondering, surely our time is worth more.

note that some exercise is needed for humans for healthy life - and I consider silly to either end as a diabetic land whale or first spend time in bus/car and then again in gym

If something requires you to wear a helmet while you do it, then it's hardly safe.

Exercise is nice to have but unnecessary. Obesity is a dietary problem, not an exercise problem.

Exercise is an absolute must have for a quality life.

If something requires you to wear a helmet while you do it, then it's hardly safe.

Cycling does not require wearing helmet.

At least commuting cycling on cycleways and low-traffic roads. If you do MTB/downhill then yes, you should have helmet. And if you drive on road where you have trucks and buses and cars going more than 30 km/h then helmet will not help so much anyway in case of a collision.

Exercise is nice to have but unnecessary. Obesity is a dietary problem, not an exercise problem.

Zero exercise and eating little is better than zero exercise and eating enormous amounts. But zero exercise and sitting all day is not exactly health either.

Cycling does not require wearing helmet.

Cycling absolutely requires a helmet. Biking in a nice American suburban neighborhood as a child, I got flung off my bike and came down hard on the front of my head. I smashed the front of a helmet and blacked out for some indeterminate period of time. I regained consciousness with a firetruck and a few firemen around me.

No cars were involved in this crash. Just a kid getting some cloth wrapped up in his front wheel. That helmet saved my life. If you get catapulted over your front wheel, you'll be wearing a helmet, or you'll likely get your head smashed open.

Most of the country lacks “real infrastructure” for bikes. At best the state will paint a few lines on existing roads and call the rightmost lane a bike lane with no real barriers against traffic. At worst, they paint a bicycle lane symbol on a road with a 35mph speed limit and stick up a “share the road” sign or two. It gives the state prestige “we’re supporting green infrastructure!” And cash from the Feds. But it’s not a safe way to ride.

And exercise is pretty easy to get if you do a little while watching TV in the evening.

Most of the country lacks “real infrastructure” for bikes

I guess you mean Canada? Still, it would be "Riding a bicycle in Canada is dangerous" not "Riding a bicycle is dangerous" and is fixable relatively easily with some competence and effort.

In the same declaring "walking alone in city center during night is inherently dangerous and cannot be safe" is not true.

they paint a bicycle lane symbol on a road with a 35mph speed limit and stick up a “share the road” sign or two

that is not a bicycle infrastructure, that is just pure incompetence

I’m in the Midwest actually. And I drive on one of these “bike routes” daily. The speed limit is 35 MPH, cars regularly hit 40-45 because the speed isn’t enforced. Not only is there no shoulder on the road, but there’s a revine right at the edge of the road. But yes, after the mayor hit a biker, they painted the bike path symbols on the road and stuck up a few signs. But they did get a grant from DC for having bike lanes.