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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 19, 2024

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OBVIOUSLY. This is the fair outcome, where nobody gets a rule imposed on them without consent.

That's not how it works, unless you're willing to amend your modest proposal with "and all other laws that a party didn't vote for doesn't affect them anymore".

Where do I sign? I'd bite that bullet for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and dessert. This is The Motte after all. I'm not going to retreat merely because my idea was pressed.

Incidentally, I'd also love a return to Federalism where the states can have more leeway over how they govern their own territories, but THAT is apparently goes too far by modern standards, which to me is an indictment of modern standards.

But no, I'm just making the point that 'compromise' requires both sides giving up something, and if the Dems want to achieve their gun-free utopia, they can start by with a compromise of imposing gun control on themselves.

But no, I'm just making the point that 'compromise' requires both sides giving up something

Yes, that's what compromise means. Both sides giving up guns. Or else both sides having guns. One side giving up guns is not compromise when the explicit goal is equitably fewer guns.

Oh, so when we make Felons a class of people who can't own guns, are we doing something unfair?

I guess my question is, why wouldn't Democrats sign a document that voluntarily waives their own Second Amendment rights if it resulted in increased levels of gun control in the country?

It's generally understood that when you do something like be a felon, you've been unfair to society and it can be unfair to you in return. (I'm pretty sure Republicans and Democrats agree that being a felon is unfair to society.) Such as imprison you (which can't legally be done to people who don't belong to the Felons class). I'm not convinced that it's so different to make felons unable to own guns.

why wouldn't Democrats sign a document that voluntarily waives their own Second Amendment rights if it resulted in increased levels of gun control in the country?

Their understanding of "gun control" is not the maximally inconvenient and stupid definition that you've crafted here for them. It's not gun control if all the criminals have one and none of the upstanding citizens do, and it's not gun control either when all the reds are strapped and the blues aren't.

Oh, so when we make Felons a class of people who can't own guns, are we doing something unfair?

Insofar as "felons" means "people the democrats like, feel sorry for, and/or totemize," then yes.

Oh, so when we make Felons a class of people who can't own guns, are we doing something unfair?

If only it were just felons. The various red flag laws gun control advocates keep pushing don't even require a criminal conviction.

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