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I think “can I kiss you” can be hot, but I’m probably a loser.
As a culmination of a date where the line had plenty of opportunity to be crossed but either party pulled back to continue dialing up the vibe, sure. I don't think the modern dating meta has any players sufficiently skilled in social cue generation and exploitation to perform such a game. There weren't that many in the past either, but media actually showed such concepts existing. Watching Sex Education made me fear for the dating prospects of my kids.
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Worlds of difference between:
and a train of constant checking about every single individual sex act, no matter how innocuous.
I know a group of 3 people who met at my wedding and literally "continuously consented" their way into falling asleep from exhaustion before fully consummating their threesome. I've heard dozens of horror stories from women and men wondering what they did to fuck it up. Exasperating.
TL;DR: You're not wrong at all, but it can absolutely be taken too far.
They took sex advice from the Junior Anti-Sex League, what did they think was going to happen?
Their only mistake was not recognizing the source of the advice. Which is unfortunate, but also the way it goes.
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That's not quite what he was describing though, and he's not exaggerating. There's some vintage footage of a debate panel featuring Christopher Hitchens and Naomi Wolf (I think), where she was literally arguing for that.
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