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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 29, 2024

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Governments should be terrified of riots. Unless you’re capable of sending in the troops and shooting to kill (like China or North Korea) no government has the ability to stop a riot when it gets large enough.

Most governments are capable of sending in the troops and shooting to kill if it becomes necessary. And they have a whole arsenal of lesser options. That includes the US and the UK. The only time it's not possible is when the troops might not be reliable (e.g. Venezuela). They can indeed pretend to be powerless in the face of riots for things they like, and crush riots for things they don't like, January 6 style.

The British police were able and willing to contain the 2011 London riots within 72 hours - for those positing political motivations, that was despite the 2011 riots over-representing blacks and nominally being against racist policing (the police had shot a black gangbanger who was wanted for illegal gun possession and who had, but did not fire, a gun when he was shot).

The anti-immigrant riots we are seeing now have been the first thing since 2011 with close to that level of destruction. So unless we see a dramatically harsher response (which is unlikely - the sentences handed down in 2011 were notoriously harsh, as they should be) I don't think this is a case of obvious two-tier policing. Both the UK BLM protests and the recent Palestinian protests were an order of magnitude less violent than 2011 or the last few days.

Right-wing media claimed that the Southend machete fight was an example of minorities being allowed to run riot by the police, but in fact the participants were arrested and at least one has been charged with attempted murder.

I'm not actually sure the British army would be willing to use live ammunition against protestors that aren't currently storming Buckingham palace, and I definitely don't think the US army would- they waited until the J6 protestors went home before arresting them, after all.

The national guard is regularly deployed during large riots. The marine were deployed during the LA riots. Though that was prior to the Navy and Marine Corp being added to Posse Comitatus in 2021.

The British army has 30+ years of experience acting as a supplementary police force from their time in the Troubles in Northern Ireland, not to mention the Northern Irish police who still deal with at least one riot a year (the last one was yesterday iirc).

If the rioting in England gets serious they've got plenty of institutional experience and lots of active Northern Irish policemen to call upon. They're more equipped than most to employ the military against rioters without jumping straight into shooting people.

Except Ashli Babbitt. They shot her. If they'd needed to shoot more, they'd have shot more.