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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 8, 2024

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They don't want them abolished they just want them replaced.

and are intended to be used only in contexts in which those characteristics are relevant.

I think this is actually, factually, wrong in the real world. It is used in all contexts because it is (incorrectly) seen as less offensive to call a woman a chestfeeder than to remind a man that he doesn't have breasts, and cannot breastfeed. Plus, when you're printing pamphlets, you don't print out one for the normies and one for the weirdos, you set your standards of language and then you print one pamphlet, and those are the words everyone sees.

By the way, this is similar to how Pride and Juneteenth are being used to unseat the 4th of July here in America. I'm not happy about it, and I won't be lied to about it happening in front of me.

I don’t think Juneteenth is unseating 4th of July. I think it’s unseating Father’s Day, cue jokes about blacks needing something to celebrate too, but Juneteenth isn’t a July 4 tier holiday and the two are in close proximity in a way it’s not near July 4.

That first year Juneteenth was a federal holiday, it was the exact same day as Father's Day. It's like the feds were daring us to notice.

Yes, the feds purposefully enforced the emancipation proclamation on June 19th in order to overlap with father's day once a decade.

Or, perhaps they purposefully triggered the summer of love because the overlap was coming up.

Why celebrate the occupation and not the declaration? 4th of July celebrates a purely formal act, and not when the British lost control of anything.

It was originally a local holiday on the gulf coast in Texas, which seems eminently reasonable. Why pick this one and not one of what I’m sure are a dozen other local African American holidays I don’t know, but it doesn’t seem like an unreasonable arbitrary decision to make.

It seems that it was initially a niche holiday in certain parts of Texas, so maybe that's why they cared about the emancipation of Texas.

I agree with this criticism, but it’s worth noting that the declaration was in December, which is already pretty holiday-heavy, and which doesn’t have the best weather in most of the country. Whereas most people would welcome an extra day off in June, which didn’t previously have any federal holidays.

Juneteenth doesn’t celebrate the emancipation proclamation. It celebrates occupying troops taking possession of Galveston.

It celebrates the enforcement of the proclamation, as I said.

Father's Day isn't a federal holiday. Nobody is getting a day off work for Father's Day, but they do for Juneteenth, and in the corporate world, that means it usually unseats something else. I get MLK Day off, but not George Washington's birthday, as another example.

What workplace gives Juneteenth off instead of July 4?

None, yet. I don't think they started with MLK day, either, but it sure did turn out that way eventually.

seen as less offensive to call a woman a chestfeeder than to remind a man that he doesn't have breasts, and cannot breastfeed.

No, that's not why. "Chestfeeding" was coined for the benefit of trans men and enbies who don't want the word "breasts" being used to describe their breasts because they associate it with femininity.

TWs will talk all day long about how they can (sometimes, kind of, with pharmaceutical assistance) breastfeed. They love having breasts, and they love calling them breasts.

I'm not speaking as an apologist here. I'm just saying that the idea that they want to abolish words like "mother" and "woman" is not based on an accurate understanding of gender ideology. They want to redefine these words.

less offensive to call a woman a chestfeeder than to remind a man that he doesn't have breasts, and cannot breastfeed

Oh, I thought it was to avoid reminding women who are breastfeeding but identify as male that they do have breasts. Which always seemed like it must be a rare request. Like how many women feeding their baby using their breasts, who certainly can feel what's happening, still get psychic psychic relief from not acknowledging that it's a breast?

These people’s framing of what it means to be a man or a woman is so different from normal people’s that it’s blue and orange morality. But crucially you can’t have both in the public square, because their idea of what a woman or man is entails everyone else going along with their deluded self ID.

As a society we have to pick one or the other. This isn’t a whatever floats your boat issue, not really. The commons belongs to someone and your gender is in the commons.

Good point, I think I got the type of offense to be avoided backwards.

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