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100ProofTollBooth

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It's intimidation, harassment, or something similar. And it has (or should have) a high probability of triggering a Civil Rights investigation as the 1st Amendment begins with the religious freedom clause.

It's not civil disobedience because no church represents the local/state/federal government. This is also why it isn't terrorism per se.


To the specific Don Lemon case, this just shows how profoundly dumb that man is. America is a very secular nation. Especially in regards to Christians, "The Culture" is openly antagonistic unless you're one of those "christian" groups with LGBTQ flags and female pastors.

But actually running in to disrupt a service is still faux pas. People are still woo-woo enough that they aren't okay with this. It would've been fine if Lemon and his weirdo friends picketed outside the church. It would've been more than okay for him to make up just-so false equivalents to random Bible excerpts. Since at least the early 1990s, it's been totally okay to parody solemn Christian institutions to the point of profanity.

But don't go into the Church, dude.

Speculating is always dumb - and so am I.

After discovery Pretti had his past violent altercations with ICE today, I am now capital-w Just Wondering if the bodycam will show him;

a) clearly reach for the gun in the scuffle b) say something similar to "Fucking shoot me, bitch" or "I'll fucking kill you" etc.

Believe it or not, I was never in uniform. Did contractor stuff for a looooong time and was in the same age range as junior officers, so often got a glimpse into Real Life (TM) that the "adults" didn't.

Top (Bottom?) 10 moment of life was being in the backseat of exactly one of these kind of muscle cars while the driver - definitely not over the legal limit - was doing 110 mph on hwy 62 back to Twentynine Palms after having, in fact, visited a strip club near Palm Springs.

@Sloot has his schtick, sure, but his posts are mostly well written, often humorous, and, IMHO, do bring up excellent points even if I disagree with them and if they're sometimes too "on the nose."

But in this specific instance, I actually want to double down on my support for @Sloot.


Dispersed, grassroots social phenomena tend to have (at least) two levels of causality. There's something proximate, obvious, and discrete at the surface. That's usually where they get their name. George Floyd protests were about, ostensibly, George Floyd. Occupy Wall Street was about the feeling of financial industry excess post 2008 recession. The OG Civil Rights marches in the 60's were about ending what was then codified and explicit racial discrimination.

The second level is a broader and more amorphous manifestation of long building social change that has now reached a critical mass. George Floyd was about COVID, Trump Bad!, and the 2020 election. This actually made it kind of unique as it was not the culmination of a multi-year development (or, to be generous, only about a 4 year development during the first Trump admin). I believe it is safe to say the extraordinary circumstances of COVID are what created it.

Occupy Wall Street is a better example; this was a movement born of the slow motion economic displacement following trade liberalization in the 1980-1990s (NAFTA, China / Korea / Japan). It wasn't all about 2008. OWS even shifted and changed into the Tea Party and is now still the spiritual ancestor of MAGA style economic populism.

The 1960s Civil Rights movement is the poster child. After decades of Jim Crow, the socio-economic reality in the majority of the US made the codified racism of the South no longer tenable. This wasn't all about Rosa Parks trying to improve her commute or a couple of kids in Kansas wanting to enter the transfer portal switch schools. The Civil Rights movement's success and enduring place in the American consciousness as The Right and True Righteous Cause is evidence of its long developing scale - and, perhaps, its lack of actual success six decades after the fact (that's for a different post).


So what does this have to do with @Sloot hating women?

The subtext of the Minneapolis ICE protests is feminist LARPing finally smashing into the wall of hard reality.

We're in anywhere between decade 4 to 6 of this. This being modern American / Western feminism as a loosely defined social phenomenon. Colleges are now significantly majority female. Women have occupied every major leadership position (political, corporate, and beyond) with the exception of President (which would've been claimed as well if Hillary Clinton hadn't been the worst candidate in history). Millenial women out earn millenial men at the median. All of this female success has been great! Except for TFR, family formation, and general happiness. But, like, whatever. The Future is Female and all that.

What's happening in Minneapolis, now, is evidence that the nth-wave feminism of today has out kicked its coverage. Smashing glass ceilings and hanging tough with the boys is all well and good, but literally conspiring to disobey laws and obstruct law enforcement has real and immediate consequences. Maybe Wonderwoman didn't get that promotion at work because of actual sexism - she can keep the struggle going however she likes because she's alive, healthy, and, gosh darn it, ready to kick some patriarchal ass!

But when Wonderwoman decides that the best way to deal with a toxically masculine man in her way is to hit him with her car she can't keep the struggle going because he might respond with his own lethal force. When Wonderwoman decides to clap back at a flashbang, she might never be able to clap at all after that.

I'm being a little flippant here as an ode-to-@Sloot, but my point is real; the feminist "movement" as far as it a cohesive one and not just a vibes based mentality, has broken containment and exited reality. It is now responsible for women putting themselves into highly dangerous physical situations with potentially lethal immediate impact but under the guise of fun-and-safe "girl power" vibes. That's an irresponsible ideology. They're choosing the bear to signal how much of a girlboss they are and then are shocked, shocked, when the bear rips off their face.

@Sloot's injection of female revealed preferences in relation to military / police sartorial choices isn't him contorting his "womenz bad" theme into the conversation. This topic actually demands that we look beneath the surface level "ICE vs commies" narrative to figure out the much larger scale social phenomena at work. I believe that the phenomena is a long running social change - feminism - metastasizing into a view of the world that is divorced from reality. Human brains don't do well with cognitive dissonance. And the data shows this.

Liberal women are fighting a battle between their identity-ideology and reality. In continuing to lost that battle, it's not just a matter of ill-advised hair colors, tattoos, and a surfeit of feline companies. It is now immediate death or maiming because of an injection of self into horribly dangerous and easily avoidable situations.

If ICE agents cannot act competently in high stress split second situations

Define it.

Define "competently"

I need your full rubric, please.

Otherwise, this is just a weasel way of saying "ICE agents should only every make perfection decisions in all circumstances"

US police already looks spectacularly unprofessional compared to other first-world countries;

Lol what.

Here's the Mannheim police stabbing. This particular video does the shitty editing thing where they long pause during the gory bits and then zoom forward, but you can dig up the unedited footage if you like.

Notice how the police mostly stand back and shout instead of getting involved. Except for the biggest male police officer. Who then gets stabbed in the head. Because his colleagues aren't swarming the attacker. It was nice, and professional, though, of the police woman to put her hand on his shoulder at the end - "You alright, hon? Yeah, looks like you got stabbed in the head there."

Most other "first world" police are basically crossing guards. This is because most other "first world" countries are a) surveillance states that can prevent crime by violating civil liberties in ways that are cut-and-dry-illegal in the USA and b) either ethnically homogenous (Japan) or ethnically / socially caste like societies where the lowerclasses are allowed to murder each other so long as all that riff-raff stays out of the Nice Parts of Town.

American police actually, you know, police the worst areas of society instead of flatly ignorning them. Which means their job is fundamentally very difficult.

But, I mean, if you want to match the metaphors, the woman in your scenario would've also literally been yelling "rape me! rape me!" at the man she met at the bar...

that the US military runs a human experimentation program that’s already developed gene editing technology,

This one is actually true, but in a stupid and dumb way.

The amount of Monster Energy drinks and dip than an average Marine Infantryman consumes on a weekly basis does alter their genetic profile. That's sound as stone. This then lets them become super soliders in combat while weighing 165 lbs, failing to ever surpass a 3rd class PFT score, and paying 28% APR on their Dodge Hellcat, which they wrecked - twice - on a 72 hour libo.

Yep, this is all true.

Still, the sections of Metabolical where he actually walks through The Science the science of, say, ATP production helped me "get" nutrition - and especially insulin - in a way I hadn't before.

Your point is well taken, nonetheless. I try to diligence any pop science books I read and everything you said about Lustig popped up on my radar. That's why I kept reading and kept an interest in nutrition.

  • Re: Protein. Genuinely curious about what a good range is. I've always seen .5 g / lb as the benchmark for "minimum" for a semi-active person.
  • Re: Sleep timing. I hear you. I would be in bed at 9pm everynight if this wasn't the equivalent of social suicide. Artifical light literally changed the species and I think the consequence is that early oriented cronotypes are slowly dying out over generations. Sorry, dude.
  • Re: Religion. I'll plug the Catholic Land Movement. I don't have a ton of experience with it but it seems to be split between TradCaths (my strain) and very woke Liberal Catholics (who .... aren't catholics). So, YMMV, but at least something to consider.

Relationships are all about compromise, and give and take.

This is one of those generic pieces of casual advice that literally leads people into hell.

I'm not writing this to attack you, @FtttG, but to attack that idea.

Relationships are not about compromise unless there is a greater goal to compromise for. Otherwise, this is a circular argument that is also negatively compounding. Think about this rephrase;

"Relationships are all about compromise. When I want to do something that my wife doesn't want to do, she compromises her own happiness (just a little!) to make me happy. Likewise, when she wants to do something that I don't, I do it, and compromise my own happiness (just a little!), to make her happy. The relationship net happiness is totally the same, right? Not at all slowly degraded."

The intent, genuine as it is, is to maintain system stability in the relationship. But if the "goal" is the current state of affairs, then every possible choice becomes overweight in risk because every possible choice represents a potential change to the system. Soon enough you get into defection problems. Think of this scene; Guy wants to go our for guys night, has already informed his girlfriend / wife of his intention days before, she has agreed, but, then, at the moment he is pocketing his keys to leave, she hits him with the puppy dog eyes and asks if, maybe, just this one time he can stay home and watch Netflix with her. Why? Because there is no direct relationship upside to him hanging out with the guys. Sure, sure, he needs time with his friends and all, but there's the much higher risk that some bar slut will make a move (or is that just a perceived risk?). The point stands.

My counter is that relationships are about two people working towards a defined mission. Usually, thats the having and rearing of children. When it isn't, there has to be something beyond mutual emotional support (which is stasis). Perhaps that something is being the DINK couple that travels a bunch. "Babe, we're going to hit 50 countries this year if we save and budget!" maybe it's the fitness couple - they run marathons together. It doesn't matter what the particular goal is just that The Goal is there and third party to mutual emotional support. Then, you can "compromise" because both parties can see it as a positive sum sacrifice for that external goal. The guy stays home from boys night because the drinking will impair his training. The girl doesn't nest up the couch and binge watch netflix because that means missing a training session.

Thank you for the write-up.

Longevity / health has been an interest since I read Lustig's Metabolical. FWIW, Lustig does a good job of getting into the details of how the macros (fat, protein, and carbohydrates) interact to fuel you - or to cause metabolic syndrome, "leak gut", and all sorts of insulin issues. The transfats section was particularly scary.

  1. On the Zone 2 exercise claims. I've seen these floating around health twitter for sometime. I cannot at all claim to be an expert, but I think some of the confusion may come down to the fact that the difference between Z2 for multi-year trained folks and those just coming off the couch can be massive. The reality is that most people, even those who go to the gym regularly, are actually very undertrained in a whole-of-athlete sense. Gym Bros can move big weight, but they have the cardio of smokers. Treadmill bunnies can stomp out 7 min miles for ever, but have heart palpitations after doing a few box jumps or kettlebell swings. Casual gym goers train themselves into hyperspecialization which leads to overall system brittleness. I think that's hard for people to deal with because it means treating your fitness as a dynamic system that changes meaningfully every six or so months. The only people who are going to be able to keep up with that are already in the top 20% of executive function / discipline / planning capability - which means they likely are already doing it! It's such a hard problem for that 50% - 80%. It's an impossibility for < 50%.

  2. Agree broadly on nutrition. There's no special diet. You eat whole, minimally processed foods, with roughly balanced fat-protein-carbs. I think anything from 40-30-30 (fat protein carbs) to 20-50-30 (fat protein carbs) is probably fine and mostly rests on an individuals particular sensitivities and situation. Any diet where a macro is less than 15% if total calories seems suspicious to me. The protein cult is real. You cite 1g / lb of bodyweight as a max. I've seen references to 0.8 g / lb as where diminishing returns start. If you're really getting after it in the gym or elsewhere (marathon runner etc.) then going above 0.8 can have benefit.

  3. Sleep is king. Got disciplined with it about 18 months ago. Perhaps as much of an impact on mental and physical health as a good gym routine. After a while, I started to really enjoy the end of day pattern I had constructed for myself to signal sleep to my brain and body.

  4. Emotional. Again, person to person. There are recluses out there who do perfectly fine on their own, but they are an exception. Definitely against the "everyone should go to therapy" line. Pretty good way to develop neuroticism. I think the gold standard is a religious community. You get a deeply committed community aligned to a transcendental or metaphysical "goal." That's self-sustaining in a permanent way that a softball beer league or trivia night group is not.

New Jersey State Troopers.

Kidd killed Kilcullen

Just had to point that out.

Next week, on This American Life, we take a look at the quiet life of Cell Block D in Rikers Island. Enjoy this early preview:

_Tuesday is canteen day. Always a bustle of activity then. My cellie (for the week I am visiting) is named Bullwhip. He's a white supremacist who murdered a latino woman and her child. He's got a rugged complexion and a strong gaze that reminds me of my grandfather. I'd spend summers on grandpa's farm as a child, working on spiceracks in his woodshop that never turned out quite level.

Bullwhip leads me out of our cell with a friendly, "get your shit, faggot" to urge me on to the day. "Lead on", I think. Maybe this will be like one of my childhood summer adventures. When we get in line for canteen, a member of the Piru Crips steps on Bullwhips foot. I can't quite make out if its accidental, intentional as to make a point, or the kind of juvenile horseplay that is common in locker rooms. As I puzzle over this, Bullwhip gouges out the man's eyes. His shrieks of pain bounce of the concrete walls as the Correctional Officers - "screws" my fellow inmates call them - charge the scene. Bullwhip, covered in the other man's blood, keeps shouting "That's what you get, frog! That's what you fucking get!" while I lie prone and try to keep from tearing up due to the pepperspray that's been deployed.

Or ... am I misty eyed because maybe, just maybe, I can hear the bullfrogs from Grandpa's farm once again."_

My only reaction to this is a very demonstrative lol, whut.

Is this dude seriously trying to weave together:

  1. Touring Cambodian art exhibits,
  2. Minneapolis Foodie subculture,
  3. "I liked it before it was cool" hipster vinyl collecting.

With:

  1. My wife is the paragon of moral virtue. I get to keep her lunch schedule.
  2. Good and Pretti. Dramatic pause continuing into solemn whisper.... "they died just blocks from my house."
  3. THEY STEALIN THE KIDS!

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This person isn't a serious person. I don't know if they're a real person. I do know that they don't actually like Cambodian bronze art and Middle Eastern food (if they did, they would've dropped that they knew about the specific time period of the Cambodian art and would've narrowed "Middle Eastern" food down to, you know, an actual country. Maybe he means Somali!)

But he really want you to know he likes these things - and Thin Lizzy - and that he is also so dedicated to the protestors cause but can also, like, you know, take a step back and see the bigger picture.

I don't trust this guy at all. I don't think he'd have anyone's back in a real fight. I feel like if his wife got into it with ICE, he might cause somewhat of a scene but then find some interesting way to get tackled by ICE preventing him, don't you know, from doing the heroic thing he was totally about to do.

Mostly, this is a shake my head moment. Whatever, Bro is the gut reaction.

Were it not for:

God help you if you were a normal guy in a pick-up truck.

Fuck you, dude. (Mods: I am talking to the guy in the quoted article, not any other poster here). I'm a normal (enough) guy in a pick-up. I am driving through Minneapolis because I have to go to work, or get groceries, or pick up my kid. You're literally saying "Ha! Sucks to be you, boy, should've stayed home where you belong, boy, might not make it back if you stay out after dark, boy!"

Like @OracleOutlook said below, facial expressions are part of sign language. Not doing them, or doing them too subtly, is the literal equivalent of poor diction.

The hyper theatrical nature of the interpreters is largely due to the fact that they might not have the best camera angle on them. In ASL, squaring up to talk to whomever you are talking to is best practice. If the camera is often an angle, or there are multiple cameras and you are signing to the "primary" but maybe the broadcast jumps around to different camera angles, you have be extra demonstrative.

However, you're still right that it's in group virtue signaling. First because sometimes no one checks the credentials of the interpreter. And, second, because deaf people who do watch TV are going to used closed captions. Or they're going to read whatever the press release is five minutes after the press conference comes to its conclusion.


There's actually an interesting culture war going on within the deaf community. Cochlear implants are seen, by some deaf folks, as betrayals to the culture and they will not let their deaf children get them. You may have heard terms like "gold star" gays - men who have never had sex with a woman ever, only other men. There's a kind of equivalent for deaf families. When two deaf people have a baby, if that baby is deaf, in some circles, that's a special awesome superstar deaf baby. Dating outside of the community is sometimes looked at with suspicion. At all deaf events (parties and the like) if it is discovered that someone signing can hear (i.e. they learned ASL for some reason beyond necessity) they're often quite rudely booted from the party.

I watched the whole video.

Self-linking may be gauche, but what I wrote about the Renee Good video seems bang on for this as well.

The videographer gives us a couple dozen "what the fuck"s and "oh my god"s. After the gnashing of teeth, we get the performative righteousness slogan; "You're killing US!"

Us? Us?

Lady, did you you just get shot? Or did the dead guy who got shot get shot?

The "us" is the tribe, the team, the cause. The videographer gets to self-identify as an innocent victim but also gets to go on living. She will receive accolades and tribute from the other members of the tribe for her volume and repetitive efforts.

60g of cooked chicken is damn close to a full pound of it depending on the exact fat content / blend.

Edit: I am a dumb. A full pound is closer to 90 - 100g of protein. Carry on.

I imagine Chipotle chicken is probably a bulk blend of mostly thigh meat with some breast met. Almost certainty skinless (for better storage and easier prep).

I've seen the advertisements for the extra protein, but haven't tried it myself. Did your eyeball on it say "yep that's probably about 60?" or did it seem light?

Posting this here and specifically not in the culture war thread.

You're gonna get what I mean; It's not bananas and rice. It's more like bananas and rice

Because this is the fun thread, leave aside the somali stuff. The awkward circular dialog is fun to laugh at regardless of context. This had a base of Arrested Development with a playful side dish of Curb Your Enthusiasm. The garnish was the cringing awkwardness of I Think You Should Leave. 5/5 would recommend. Zagat nominee 2026.

I see what you did there, friendo.

Better phrasing than mine, for sure.

Maybe it's more the tyranny of metrics as product. If the point of measurements, and tolerances is to "make things work" that's fine. It seems to me that, in this case, the point of measurements was to point at the measurements.

Agreed.

I was thinking about Minnesota and this comment a day or two ago. It's part of a kind of memetic that I think of as "Stop making Scott Adams look like Nostradamus."

Scott Adams, Dilbert comic creator turned online politico commentator and, recently, dead, made some not PC comments in 2023.

They're nothing special. A bit of breathless hyper-noticing and juiced up with a Very Online Person kind of flair. Ho-hum, as far as it goes. But the media pounced and Scott took a lot of flak for it. Elon defended him, which is kind of cool, I guess. Everyone moved on.

And then, at the end of 2025, he turned out to be completely right, at least directionally. Roving gangs of private citizens are harassing people - well, white men - for just kinda sorta looking like ICE agents. Which, I guess, consists primarily in ... being a white male.

While I am firmly on the right, I've never liked Trump. He's economically illiterate, a populist Dixiecrat rather than a conservative, and has no actual worldview other than an interesting and admittedly successful (in some sense) set of boomer "vibes."

But he keeps not trying to kill me or brand me as the devil. Which puts him materially ahead of half of the country, and the leadership and majority of the democrat party. And yet, they keep being astounded that I don't want to get my membership card in the "Kill Everyone who is like TollBooth" club.

"Don't be hypersensitive"

"Most people are normal"

"Except all people on the right. Who are hypersensitive"

And, the parting morality shot - "Don't introduce data and ask me to review it, that would be ... unbecoming"


I'm not going to try to change your mind on anything. I'm only going to try to suggest that you read what you write before posting and ask yourself the question "am I making any arguments here or am I just kind of teasing my opponent?"