The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
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The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
It's possible, but I don't even think he was doing that. I'm not sure he was involved in her arrest at all, he was walking down the street, not standing to block her as I initially assumed.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
If the issue was the woman obstructing a law officer, then surely arresting her would have been an appropriate and proportional response?
Surely. But when one officer attempted to arrest her, she attempted to flee by driving her car through the space occupied by another officer.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
Yeah, Maryland cops used to step in front of vehicles to stop them for speeding. Some drivers got nailed for hitting them. I think they stopped the practice some years ago, for obvious reasons.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
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This iceman was hit by a different car previously.
I guess that explains why he was so quick. She starts the car moving towards him, he instantly pulls his gun.
It is unambiguous given the videos that she did try to hit the officer with her car, but just barely, and seems to have backed off immediately when her tires slipped on the ice.
I don't think so. I don't think she even knew he was there; she was fleeing the OTHER officer, the one at her door trying to arrest her.
it seems reasonable to me that the iceman was looking for retribution for the previous car strike, and she gave it to him.
More likely he just didn't want to get hit again.
Shooting her would have had no effect on his safety, even if she had gotten traction. They were at “point blank” range.
I think if he hadn't shot her, he would have been struck by the car in pretty much the same way and she would have driven away. But he couldn't know that at the time. If she'd been meaning to hit him (and he hadn't shot her), she could have instead squared up better on him and killed him.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
Those people vote for Democrats now.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
Further, agents should not place themselves in the path of a moving vehicle or use their body to block a vehicle's path.
The agent did not do this. The agent was there before the car started moving.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
In fact, it was a big point in the Allentown grandfather story that he didn't show up on that registry. Of course that was because the story was completely made up, rather than ICE doing anything wrong.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
What the legal status of an ICE agent vis-à-vis law enforcement is, I don't know. It may be that they are not the same as cops and don't have the right to arrest anyone.
They have the right, by statute, to arrest anyone committing a Federal offense in their presence. Blocking them from doing their duty is a Federal offense, and they had at least reasonable suspicion (which would be the appropriate legal standard to temporarily detain her, though an actual arrest would take more) she was doing that.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
Probably a bad move. If he wants to get elected, being the "least bad Republican" just means the Democrats calling themselves "moderates" say fewer mean things about him (or even nice ones, during the primary) and then they all vote for the Democrat anyway. If he wants to get elected he should lean into DeathSantis and try to be the "most bad Republican"; he still won't get the "moderates" but he'll have a better shot at energizing the base.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
He ws there before she tried to get away.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
· Edited 2d ago
Even with civilian shootings it's usually not necessary to justify each shot in a rapid sequence separately. (Whether the shots were in such a sequence was a point in the Bernhard Goetz case, IIRC)
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
She backs-up with the wheels turned to the left, stops, turns the wheels to the right, and then accelerates forward.
She hadn't completed turning to the right when she accelerated forward. As @Stellula points out, the wheels are straight when she starts going forwards, and the cop pulls the gun and fires immediately.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
I agree with him on being polite to people who are trying to punish me, and it's gotten me in trouble. But I never tried to run them over and I'd fully expect them to shoot me if I did.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
This is a judgment call, but I really don't think it's reasonable for him to think she was trying to run him over in the first place.
This is an absolutely bizarre thing to say given that she did, in fact, hit him.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
I'm not claiming to know exactly what legal standard applies in this case, but normally, when there's a threat, you have a duty to flee.
This depends on the state. But even in states like Minnesota where you have a duty to retreat
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It typically does not apply to police officers in the course of their duty
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Fleeing has to be safely possible. Not likely to be the case when a car is aimed at you and accelerating towards you.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
They can -- if you're fleeing they can literally run into your path and blame you (criminally) if you can't avoid them. That isn't, however, what happened here.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
The ICE agent's actions were probably legal. But most normies will conclude at the woman should not have been shot dead. There is no dissonance between these 2.
There's plenty of dissonance, but it's resolved simply by noting which side the majority of the mainstream media is on.
First, there is a reason that states do not have multiple domestic law enforcement agencies.
There may be reasons they shouldn't, but in fact they do. The rest of this paragraph was irrelevant; this woman knew who ICE was and furthermore, ordinary cops go after nonviolent criminals all the time.
There is rhetorical sleight of hand. ICE officers are cops in terms of discretionary power, but held accountable to none of the same standards as cops.
This is also a false claim, although you're probably overestimating the standards ordinary cops are held to.
Besides, why are 'tom and jerry chase' and 'headshot' the only 2 options available to an officer ? This isn't some seasoned drug dealer that will camp out in another state. They could've just arrested her later.
At the time the cop pulled his gun, she was driving her SUV right at him. You're implying that if he had the option to get out of the way of a person who was fleeing, apparently homicidal and in control of a truck, he should have done it rather than take action to stop her right there and then. I do not believe this is a standard police are ever held to ordinarily.
Hell, the dude could have just not stepped in front of the car. It's not rocket science.
Preventing people from fleeing, including by placing themselves in their path, is in fact part of a police officer's job.
I asked Chatgpt
You can't trust the robot.
Finally, the broad optics are just plain bad for Trump.
Optics are within his opponent's control.
Trump's response was despicable. The video isn't vindicating (unlike Rittenhouse) and it appears to validate many of Democrats accusations of ICE acting more like the mob than cops.
Trump blames the dead woman, saying she was trying to run over the officer. But even The Guardian, in attacking Trump, admits the officer was actually hit, as some of the videos show. That's pretty vindicating.
Instead, by killing a white mother on ground zero, the narrative has immediately shifted away from the Somalis.
Could be worse, they could have killed a black guy.
Statistically speaking, increasing ICE action in Minnesota has led to an increase in the death of Americans by 1.
That's not statistical anything.
Deportation of otherwise lawful civilians does not require guns, let alone deadly force.
Unless of course those otherwise lawful citizens decide they don't want to be deported. But this wasn't a deportation anyway.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
There's a lot of videos, and in some of them it's pretty clear there's contact.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
I think we can steelman the "fleeing the police shouldn’t be a death sentence" idea to something like "the police should not deliberately block off only nonviolent methods of fleeing in order to force an equivalence between fleeing and violence.
But they do this all the time, when cars aren't involved. If they're raiding a building they'll have police blocking all the exits.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
She actually did hit him.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
Governor Walz is now threatening to use the Minnesota National Guard to remove federal agents from the city, setting the stage for conflicting guard federalizations and call up orders
This is utterly stupid. It's what George Wallace tried, and it gives Trump an ironclad reason (rebellion, literally) to invoke the Insurrection Act and federalize the Guard. Walz may be one of two politicians dumb enough to do something like that (the other being his former running mate), but hopefully someone will talk him down.
This is not good. No matter who’s fault it is, this is not good.
Whose fault matters. If you just say it's "not good", you're implying that any side which can stop it should even at the cost of backing down. And Trump is on solid ground here; Walz is allowed not to assist Federal law enforcement in carrying out their duties, but he's not allowed to keep them from carrying them out themselves, and immigration enforcement is not some fantasy spun off of a vague enabling statute, it's based on pretty solid statute law.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
It's typically easier after the first time, though I think I understand why you've found it otherwise.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
If you're having a relationship with a woman rather than a one night stand, life will be a lot easier when she's satisfied and a lot worse when she's frustrated.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
Mulvey never really says what she means by "male gaze" in that particular article. I've usually heard it as referring to the way the camera takes on the perspective of a (sexually interested) man; e.g. slowly panning up the figure of the provocatively-dressed femme fatale, perhaps pausing at her ass as she's walking with an exaggerated sway. It definitely has to do with the camera, not an actual man. Referring to actual men looking at actual women was an obvious extension though.
Neither of the cases you posted involved legal immigrants.
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