The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
No bio...
User ID: 174
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
The first is that shooting her could not have reasonably been expected to stop the car.
Even granting for the moment that this is true, there is not, in fact, an exception in self defense for futility.
And if I understand the law correctly, each shot has to be justified on its own.
A person defending themselves is not necessarily required to re-evaluate after each act. The three shots were fired within one second, during which he was hit by the vehicle. This applies to civilians in anti-gun states, even -- it was a point in the Bernie Goetz trial.
The second reason is that he went against his police training and placed himself in harm's way.
Even if true, this would not defeat self defense.
My understanding of the law is that you lose your right to claim self-defence if you wrecklessly put yourself into the dangerous situation that left yourself no option but to use deadly force.
There's no such law, even in Minneapolis.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
ICE is probably not the shining example of highly professional policing
Honestly, I think they may be in the top 10%. Every time I hear about an atrocity and can find evidence, the worst I see is them being normal cop-aggressive. The big exception is when I heard about them shooting a reporter with a beanbag round. Turned out that happened... but it was actually LAPD, not ICE.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
We should relocate all the Greenlanders to Nunuvat for a one-time payment (One to them and a bigger one to Canada for taking them). Then Greenland might be worth the trouble.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
The car was going like 5 km/h
The car was certainly going faster than 5km/h.
already turned mostly away from him
Ah, yes, "mostly". Not enough to, you know, not hit him.
First of all, it's not like pulling a gun because it was clear that she wasn't trying to hit him.
Clear to who? Certainly not to him.
He also caused the dangerous situation by walking out into the middle of the street in front of a moving car
He did no such thing. He was walking in street to the right of the stationary car's forward path when she started to make a K-turn, backing up and turning to point the nose of the car at him, then going forward. At which point he pulled the gun. As it turns out she kept turning, but he didn't know she would at the time.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
He wasn't actually in front of the car when it started moving. Further it turns out to be impractical to do the work he does without at some point being in front of a (stationary) vehicle.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
habitable islands (at least habitable enough for major military installations)
From what I've heard of Adak Island, that's not a high bar either. I was told that their version of a windsock is a log on a heavy chain.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
Mobs are dangerous but dumb. Police have developed tactics over the centuries to disperse mobs, or at least divert them into areas where they do less damage. These won't work on organized agitators, and if there's a mob that's being directed by the organized agitators, they will work less well.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
Greenland is actually that big. I mean, it's not as big as a Mercator projection would have it, but it's BIG. Over 158,000 square miles ice-free (and if you believe the climate change people, this will increase dramatically), almost as large as California. Over 677,000 square miles total, larger than Alaska
(And Trump is trolling about taking Greenland forcibly from Denmark, which I guess counts as being a retard.)
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
Good drivers can't drive the speed limit.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
There was obviously a threat of bodily harm here. He was hit. It is true he was not gravely injured, but that was accident; he could not know it at the time. Same as if she pulled a gun and fired it but only winged him.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
Neither was a legal immigrant.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
No win in court is easy for a civilian.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
Neither of the cases you posted involved legal immigrants.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
It's possible, but I don't even think he was doing that. I'm not sure he was involved in her arrest at all, he was walking down the street, not standing to block her as I initially assumed.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
If the issue was the woman obstructing a law officer, then surely arresting her would have been an appropriate and proportional response?
Surely. But when one officer attempted to arrest her, she attempted to flee by driving her car through the space occupied by another officer.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
Yeah, Maryland cops used to step in front of vehicles to stop them for speeding. Some drivers got nailed for hitting them. I think they stopped the practice some years ago, for obvious reasons.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
· Edited 4d ago
This iceman was hit by a different car previously.
I guess that explains why he was so quick. She starts the car moving towards him, he instantly pulls his gun.
It is unambiguous given the videos that she did try to hit the officer with her car, but just barely, and seems to have backed off immediately when her tires slipped on the ice.
I don't think so. I don't think she even knew he was there; she was fleeing the OTHER officer, the one at her door trying to arrest her.
it seems reasonable to me that the iceman was looking for retribution for the previous car strike, and she gave it to him.
More likely he just didn't want to get hit again.
Shooting her would have had no effect on his safety, even if she had gotten traction. They were at “point blank” range.
I think if he hadn't shot her, he would have been struck by the car in pretty much the same way and she would have driven away. But he couldn't know that at the time. If she'd been meaning to hit him (and he hadn't shot her), she could have instead squared up better on him and killed him.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
Those people vote for Democrats now.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
Further, agents should not place themselves in the path of a moving vehicle or use their body to block a vehicle's path.
The agent did not do this. The agent was there before the car started moving.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
In fact, it was a big point in the Allentown grandfather story that he didn't show up on that registry. Of course that was because the story was completely made up, rather than ICE doing anything wrong.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
What the legal status of an ICE agent vis-à-vis law enforcement is, I don't know. It may be that they are not the same as cops and don't have the right to arrest anyone.
They have the right, by statute, to arrest anyone committing a Federal offense in their presence. Blocking them from doing their duty is a Federal offense, and they had at least reasonable suspicion (which would be the appropriate legal standard to temporarily detain her, though an actual arrest would take more) she was doing that.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
Probably a bad move. If he wants to get elected, being the "least bad Republican" just means the Democrats calling themselves "moderates" say fewer mean things about him (or even nice ones, during the primary) and then they all vote for the Democrat anyway. If he wants to get elected he should lean into DeathSantis and try to be the "most bad Republican"; he still won't get the "moderates" but he'll have a better shot at energizing the base.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
He ws there before she tried to get away.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
· Edited 4d ago
Even with civilian shootings it's usually not necessary to justify each shot in a rapid sequence separately. (Whether the shots were in such a sequence was a point in the Bernhard Goetz case, IIRC)
Inuit whale in the US as well.
More options
Context Copy link