The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
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The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Excuse me, did you miss the "shout your abortion" campaign like a decade ago? The way people reacted to Margaret Thatcher's death?
And Antonin Scalia's.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Qualified immunity is a civil doctrine. The cop has neither absolute nor qualified immunity. He has what's called Supremacy Clause immunity from state prosecution.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
That was a big wall of text. But, the main thing I'm responding to is this:
This is so obviously a murder.
No. It was so obviously not a murder. And that is why Noem and Vance are right to do what they're doing and not do the normal professional thing. The normal professional thing is for the administration to refuse to comment and insist on letting the process take place. Then, in a few months, when the officer is acquitted, you get ANOTHER round of protests and more bad press as to how murders are being excused. An environment where people refuse to see the reality in front of them and insist on substituting their own headcanon is not one where an impartial process can help. Nobody's going to believe there is such a process, and nobody will believe the outcome of such a process. If the process were to happen in state courts and is investigated by state investigators, the cop gets railroaded. If it happens in Federal courts, he gets exonerated (rightly or wrongly). The possibility of one side merely making a mistake is utterly absent. The possibility of correcting the mistake, then, is also absent; this is all conflict.
Certainly, however, this explains why so many wanting to condemn the officer insist he was not hit by the SUV. He was, in fact, hit by the SUV, and that ruins so many useful claims, such as that she could not have been attempting to run him over, or that he could not have been in reasonable fear that he would be run over.
Yeah, something's wrong here. Something's wrong with the idea that a mother of three thinks she can obstruct a police operation and then when they go to arrest her for it, flee in a way that at the very least demonstrates reckless disregard towards the life of the police officer she hit, and nothing at all will happen to her. She was wrong. And something's wrong with the fact that so many people think she should have been right.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
You can't really have "a rival faction" when the police state kills those off immediately in the normal course of business.
Yes, that's what the police state is for.
Eventually the regime is just going to machine gun the protestors and get on with life. There are plenty of Iranians who support the regime, after all.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
There's a lot of ruin in a nation. They can muddle along.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Ooh, good point. Unless they shot that random T-Rex instead. Eh, ¿por qué no los dos?
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Trump is definitely more than a bit weird. And he's serious about wanting Greenland and probably DOES think he can make a deal to get it. But he's not going to take it by force.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
I think "The President of the United States launches a criminal investigation against the Fed Chair" is a bigger deal than "10% random" implies, although I don't know if there is much to say about it.
He claims he wasn't personally involved, though in phrasing that generally means very little from him ("I don't know anything about it"), so there's a chance this ends up a nothingburger. (perhaps a trial balloon that didn't make it)
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
Has there ever been a human society where there weren't taboos or ideas that were considered dangerous and wrong? Even relatively open societies have lines you're not supposed to cross.
I'm just going to ignore this smokescreen, and again point out that you are not only comparing the social circles you are in with Stalinist Russia, but blaming anyone who doesn't keep silent for not getting along.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
I always felt like Scott Alexander's Kolmogorov Complicity and the Parable of Lightning was at least in part a guide for people with controversial beliefs to go along to get along.
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I definitely have beliefs that would make me a pariah in some of the social circles I move around in. Who doesn't? But I am polite and politick enough to not make a big deal out of these beliefs in the circumstances where it could go bad for me.
You now find yourself advising people to act like they live in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin, and implicitly criticizing those who do not.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
The EU ought to put troops from multiple countries there to create some sense of jeopardy for the US that it might not be a totally bloodless operation, even if they can't realistically stay to fight.
That's both never going to happen and would do the opposite of deterring Trump if he really wanted to do it.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
OTOH, apparently the NYT has decided that this story is bad for their interests and begun memory-holing it.
There's a David French opinion column today. Predictably dishonest:
An eyewitness, however, said that she heard conflicting instructions — one agent telling Good to get out of the car, while another agent told her to drive away.
French probably knows this isn't actually the case, that's why he is careful to attribute it to an unidentified eyewitness. There's a shitload of video and audio, and not one indication that an agent told her to drive away. (Her wife yelled "Drive, Drive", however)
The Minnesota videos show that it was never necessary for the officer to open fire. If a first shot is taken only after an officer is out of the path of the vehicle, that shot is not necessary to save his life.
The first shot went through the front windshield. Seems unlikely it was taken once he was out of the vehicle's path.
That means a frame-by-frame analysis of a shooting doesn’t come close to resolving its legality.
Translation: "Well, shit, the evidence is against me, so don't look at it"
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
Unlike Iran and Venezuela, there's a lot of actual information available for Minneapolis.
But you can add Cuba now, Trump's at least talking about it.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
He's serious about wanting it, not serious about taking it by force from Denmark.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
And yet, I find myself living in an apartment in a city, surrounded by black and brown people, not far from a bunch of Korean and Japanese law firms and restaurants, and with a largely LGBT friend group, and I'm generally pretty happy with my life, and I feel safe and good about where I live most of the time.
Yeah. Because you feel like one of them.
Try being in a place where you think you're one of them, and then you say something like "You know, calling Curtis Yarvin a Nazi seems kinda dumb because he's Jewish" or "Uh, this story about a rape on campus is probably totally made up" or "I don't think there's anything wrong with the "Hide yo' wives" meme' and having everyone turn on you. You'll realize you were living in a fool's paradise.
Of course, YOU wouldn't ever say anything that would trigger such a reaction, right?
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
I don't think this is a problem with GDP as a measure, but a problem with measuring North Korea's GDP. Kim's regime doesn't exactly put out accurate economic reports.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
If that is so, it should knock on the head the narrative that "she was only an innocent passer-by, driving home with her wife after dropping her kid off at school, a stranger to the city who wandered into the middle of this by mistake".
It should, but arguments are soldiers and ONLY that. The comments on the David French column about this demonstrate this pretty clearly.
e.g. from "Cece"
Remember this phrase. Officer-created jeopardy. “Intentionally placing oneself in the path of an operating vehicle is considered an "officer-created jeopardy". This action can undermine any later claim that the use of deadly force (such as shooting at the driver) was necessary for self-defense, as the officer voluntarily created the dangerous situation.”
We know from the videos this didn't happen. Doesn't matter. Gets repeated over and over.
from "Niko"
If Ms. Good had intended to hit or run over the officer, she would have driven forward. The moment she initially reversed, the officer must have known he was not in danger. He clearly drew his gun to prevent her from fleeing.
We know from the videos the officer did not draw his weapon until she started going forwards.
From "SD"
From the video, there is no way Ms. Good was trying to weaponize her vehicle. She was just driving away.
No way? She did actually hit him. Whether that was her intent is not proven, but certainly the video does not rule it out. Of course, despite this having been shown from several angles (and heard), plenty of people still insist he wasn't hit.
From "OG MD"
Unfortunately, ICE is not law enforcement and have no jurisdiction against a US citizen and certainly had no legal right to physically remove Ms. Good from her vehicle without a court order.
Good thing this wasn't OG JD because that's all false.
From "Don't Think Twice"
Renee Good’s wife is reported to have said, “We had whistles. They had guns.” That sums it up for me. You don’t shoot someone whose choice of protest weapon is a whistle.
No, her choice of a weapon was a Honda Pilot. Even if she didn't mean to hit the officer, she was using it to engage in her blockade tactics.
And from "Back to MN"
ICE agents here in MSP seem to be purposely engaging in the practice of surrounding someone in their car and then intentionally giving conflicting orders, so the target is not complying no matter what they do.
We've got video and audio that clearly reveals that the orders she was given were "Get out of the car" and "Get out of the fucking car". These aren't conflicting.
Evidence doesn't matter; there is only narrative.
Normally (i.e. not under Trump) the way this would play out is law enforcement and the administration would refuse to comment. The protestor story would be the only one which got around. Then some months later when the officer was acquitted, people would be shocked and there'd be another round of protests. The Trump administration is trying something different -- backing up their officer to hyperbolic lengths. I'm not sure if that's better, but the old way wasn't working.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
I do know that when it comes to private property, you can normally use lethal force against an intruder without waiting to see how much a threat the person poses.
This is not in fact true in most states. Castle Doctrine says you have no duty to retreat within your home (though some states don't even have that), but you still have to have a reasonable fear of grave bodily harm.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
If it had been ATF doing it
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They would not have been in danger from any car
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They would have shot at the wrong car
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They would have missed.
But even if all these things were false and things were mutatis mutandis just as in the Minnesota situation, the bulk of the right wing would not have supported the driver. That a lot of "moderates" have a headcanon that the right and the left are the same in this does not make it so.
It is true that some of the right is rather consciously trying to become more that way, since Jan 6, since the Trump assassination attempt, and especially since Charlie Kirk's assassination. But it's a fairly small part and it mostly hasn't taken.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
The best action would probably jumping on the hood, or getting the center of gravity high enough the car knocks you over instead of under.
It's a Honda Pilot, not a Chevy Corvette. The hood is very high.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
If it would show the Ice officer only lightly (harmlessly? calculated by him?) being touched by the corner of the car the optics would be bad.
Bad for whom? We know the ICE agent was not seriously injured by the car. This "he didn't even hit him" followed by (when sufficient demonstration of contact is made using multiple video and audio feeds) "but it wasn't that bad a hit" is just minimal retreat, not bad optics for the side which claimed correctly that he was in fact hit.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
Optics, however, is whatever the leftist media decides it is.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
Sure, but they're Muslims and furthermore have been inculcated with propaganda against the Little Satan since the revolution (or birth). Unless they've grown to hate the regime so much that this propaganda has actually made them favor Israel.
They're not written for the benefit of the cannon fodder.
Also, Barnes v. Felix was a case where the cop was not in the path of the car -- he jumped up onto the doorsill after the car started fleeing. The Fifth Circuit ruled only the 2 seconds immediately before the shoot could be considered, and the Supreme Court unanimously overruled that and said the "totality of the circumstances" must be considered.
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