Transnational Thursday is a thread for people to discuss international news, foreign policy or international relations history. Feel free as well to drop in with coverage of countries you’re interested in, talk about ongoing dynamics like the wars in Israel or Ukraine, or even just whatever you’re reading.
- 9
- 3
What is this place?
This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a
court of people who don't all share the same biases. Our goal is to
optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.
The weekly Culture War threads host the most
controversial topics and are the most visible aspect of The Motte. However, many other topics are
appropriate here. We encourage people to post anything related to science, politics, or philosophy;
if in doubt, post!
Check out The Vault for an archive of old quality posts.
You are encouraged to crosspost these elsewhere.
Why are you called The Motte?
A motte is a stone keep on a raised earthwork common in early medieval fortifications. More pertinently,
it's an element in a rhetorical move called a "Motte-and-Bailey",
originally identified by
philosopher Nicholas Shackel. It describes the tendency in discourse for people to move from a controversial
but high value claim to a defensible but less exciting one upon any resistance to the former. He likens
this to the medieval fortification, where a desirable land (the bailey) is abandoned when in danger for
the more easily defended motte. In Shackel's words, "The Motte represents the defensible but undesired
propositions to which one retreats when hard pressed."
On The Motte, always attempt to remain inside your defensible territory, even if you are not being pressed.
New post guidelines
If you're posting something that isn't related to the culture war, we encourage you to post a thread for it.
A submission statement is highly appreciated, but isn't necessary for text posts or links to largely-text posts
such as blogs or news articles; if we're unsure of the value of your post, we might remove it until you add a
submission statement. A submission statement is required for non-text sources (videos, podcasts, images).
Culture war posts go in the culture war thread; all links must either include a submission statement or
significant commentary. Bare links without those will be removed.
If in doubt, please post it!
Rules
- Courtesy
- Content
- Engagement
- When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.
- Proactively provide evidence in proportion to how partisan and inflammatory your claim might be.
- Accept temporary bans as a time-out, and don't attempt to rejoin the conversation until it's lifted.
- Don't attempt to build consensus or enforce ideological conformity.
- Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.
- The Wildcard Rule
- The Metarule
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Notes -
Ireland
The National Party leadership dispute, an argument which started over some missing gold bars, has been solved with the launching of Clann Éireann - an explicitly ethnonationalist party lead by the NP's former leader Justin Barret. "Anything other than ethnonationalism is not good enough . . . we can measure who is Irish and who is not by blood".
In somewhat related news Ireland has had its first ethnonationalist murder (first that has nothing to do with the United Kingdom at least). I'll wait for the court case to judge myself but the headline is 'Killed for not speaking English'.
And the Minister of Integration Roderic O'Gorman (also the Minister for 4 other things but this is the relevant one) had masked men putting up 'Close the Borders' signs and protesting outside of his house.
Are the Irish the indigenous people of their ancestral lands? I’ve heard that the Scots are Scotland’s.
I ask as a neighbor of several Native American tribes, between which my city sits.
So basically yes, or at least the previous indigenous people stopped existing as a distinct race in prehistoric times.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
The Russians made a break through the Ukrainian lines today: https://twitter.com/GloOouD/status/1782520078170206310
I don't have enough knowledge to say how bad this is, but it seems pretty bad. I'm getting the feeling that the war there might be approaching the point where the Ukrainians can no longer fight effectively, at least not unless they get a whole lot more aid.
Seems like if they hold on to it it'd put Ukraine's new defensive line at the Vocha in the south, idk about the north it's not been as active, probably collapse the pocket at least near Keramik. Which is about as big a chunk of land as Ukraine gained during the failed counter-offensive. So not much really considering how big Ukraine is. It's high ground which will give Russia advantages in the attritional war as well. Main take away of this war is that maneuver warfare is dead on a modern battlefield. Can't push deep without losing EW and other needed protections and getting droned to death. Taking territory is more about positional advantages.
Still not good for Ukraine though especially considering troops refusing to fight has been happening regularly, refusals in avdiivka earlier this year, and in Chasiv Yar recently. News recently was that Ukraine would have to accept a truce by the end of the year without more aid, seems more likely that they were looking at suffering a major collapse and breakthrough before the elections. Probably why they pulled out whatever intelligence agency leverage they had on Johnson and got him to trade in his political career for CNN contributor or wherever he ends up.
I agree that this doesnt seem like it will lead to a big change in territory. But its bad in that it shows Ukraine's troops starting to crack under the pressure. Thats really the endgame of attritional warfare... bot to take territory, but to degrade tgeir army to the point they cant fight anymore
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
Dropping this here because although not international, it's not super culture-wars-y- a schizo burned himself alive outside of Trump's trial in New York.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/19/us-news/man-who-set-self-on-fire-outside-trump-trial-idd-as-max-azzarello/
If you think the news story is exaggerating his craziness- and he does seem to be insane- you can read his substack here: https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside
More options
Context Copy link
Israel has struck multiple targets in Ishfan, Iran. The location of these strikes would suggest that they hit one of Iran’s major nuclear research facilities.
I used to be very happy, albeit very bored when nothing ever happened.
Well, now we'll find out if Iran wants to expend the rest of their long range arsenal.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link