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Without having much of a stake in this discussion, I can confidently tell you that you can go to any bar in Europe or Turkey tonight and signal some affluence as a man and check for yourself if the rumours about Ukrainian women are correct.
Honestly, I am very curious to see what the difference between this and the pre-war state was. Every fucking bar in Dubai was filled with anorexic slavs and Chinese, and my understanding was that most hotel bars in Central Europe were the same. My understanding of London at least is that the local watering holes have not seen a notable uptick of Ukrainian women, and the current state of Tinder is that of a bot farm. I don't doubt that the possibility is VERY strong that Georgia Poland Germany and Turkey are filled with hot and single Slavs, but I really have no direct evidence.
For my own contribution of evidence, Tel Aviv, Bali and Pattaya in 2023 had a surplus of Russians, but those were largely coupled (singles in Tel Aviv but those were just young sluts). I saw no difference in Hong Kong, Singapore, Bangkok, Shenzhen, Dubai, KL. Am quite interested to hear field reports from others.
The kind of Ukrainian woman who wanted to make quick money or find a rich Arab/Chinese/etc man to be a mistress to would have left as easily in 2019 as in 2023. And of course the Belarusian contingent is still substantial despite no official involvement in the war from that country. And the same is true on a proportional basis for other countries like Moldova and so on.
Again I think these cultures are just more tolerant of what is effectively prostitution. Perhaps not openly but on some level. I spend time regularly in the cities you mention (Dubai, KL, Singapore, Bangkok) where hookers are extremely noticeable (30-40% of the female customers at Nobu KL lol) and even at the most expensive places it’s very rare to find white English or American prostitutes. I once had breakfast next to an African American woman I strongly suspect was a working girl in Singapore, but that’s an edge case.
Almost half of Europeans are Slavic and there would have been much more than half without commies, they are also the reason why slavs are so much poorer than westerners. So if you look at the poor white women population numbers slavs dominate, you don't need some cultural effects for this.
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Moldovans seem to the furthest east it goes. Maybe something about Tito inspires surprising chasteness in the mountain slavs, much to my disappointment.
Edited my comment to add another observation, but yeah, it’s an interesting topic. You can’t be a woman in these places without at least observing the dynamics here. My guess is that Slavs have almost single handedly made prostitution non-viable in a lot of these wealthier EM cities for American and Western European women since they absorb pretty much all the demand for blonde white women, and it’s not like the average Chinese or Qatari businessman cares much about whether his blondes are Belarusian or, like, Scottish or something. At the top top end the sheikhs and billionaires might order models or OnlyFans girls, but in terms of who you see around, pretty much all white prostitutes are from the Slavic world.
My own experience is that the only non-slav white women are south american, who for geographical reasons are rarely present in these eastern markets. Market forces could also make it fairly obvious that a pretty western european can find easier ways to make and maintain their money compared to the honestly rough life of an international working girl.
My observations concur in that the top end of the onlyfans/influencer girls are indeed imported by sheikhs, but a strange aspect there is the negative bargaining power of slavs in that specific top end . Perhaps it is my specific circles of depravity, but specifically Australian, South African Irish stewardesses were in demand for whites, with a surprising amount of African influencers being pushed.
And as again, my mountain slav waifu remains elusive.
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But again, that was true of Ukrainians and Russians in every expensive bar in Dubai or Hong Kong for decades before this war. These are some of the top exporters of working girls. Some of the stories about 90s Moscow are also wild.
Prostitution or extreme hypergamy just seems to be more socially acceptable in these Slavic cultures than in others.
Yes of course. Syria and Afghanistan experienced devastation and migration outflows at a much bigger scale yet you don’t see many Syrian or Afghan prostitutes/gold diggers.
My point wasn’t that this situation didn’t exist before the war. It’s that, this situation exists! It got hyper turbo charged because of the war. It can’t be dismissed as silly propaganda
The evidence presented can be dismissed as silly propaganda. The original comment had a link to tweet with evidence that consisted of some claims and 4 photos presumably from Tinder. Same level of evidence would have been present before the war. Claims "go to any bar in Europe" are cheap.
At minimum, one would need statistics to prove it. (Recollections of experiences with/observing presumed hookers in MENA countries and engaging in hypotheses about cultural factors of mountain Slaves does not count as interrogating the evidence.) How many of Ukrainians in Europe are women? Apparently approx 4 million. How many relative to respective demographics stayed in Ukraine? Apparently there was 12 million women aged 14-54 in Ukraine in 2018. Assuming everyone of the 4 million were women from the 12 million, it is a Large fraction, but not all or a majority. More exact statistics would be needed, because I presume there are kids and grandmas included in the 4 million. How many of the women of relevant are single, and how many are engaging in low-grade prostitution, how many are engaging more chaste forms of dating? Evidence not easily found. How many of sex workers are voluntary versus coerced? Evidence not easily found.
edited to clarify: i am at zero level claiming my surfing of telegrams or field reports is in any way substantive evidence. please do not under any circumstance in any conversation or discussion here or outside say 'hey this pervo didn't see to many Ukie hookers around so they're all chaste damsels' or whatever.
Unedited text: I am, in all an explicit seriousness, appreciative of any sincere longitudinal or latitudinal 'study' proving that slavs - ukrainian or russian or whatever - are present in greater numbers to disrupt relationship or, more specific to my curiosity, sex worker markets.
Intuitively it makes perfect sense that we SHOULD see more hot single Ukrainians seeking comfort in the wallets of generous men within the new host countries they reside in, others have accurately noted that infidelity and hypergamy seem to be more present in Eastern Europeans sui generis.
BUT In my own explicit attempts to canvass the issue, I have observed zero uptick in Ukrainians in any of the markets I am aware of, including the ostensible hotbed of Dubai. I recognize that the physical distance means I'm not seeing refugees, but a quick gander at punter boards all don't see a surplus of Ukrainians at all.
If I am forced to drag this back to the culture war, where we boo Ukrainian men for being so stupid to die for NATO while their women shack up with lecherous exploitative Germans or Finns or whatever, I can confidently say I have NOT actually seen this in my depraved circles. Admittedly my own research for that is EXTREMELY low grade, but come on surely we would have at least a shitload of Polish or English forums complaining about Ukrainians stealing their blokes!
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Do you normally refuse to entertain any opinions based on your own experiences as long as someone did not go through the trouble of collecting or locating almost impossible to find data? Or is this an isolated demand for rigour you are applying to this specific subject?
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The syrian and afghan prostitutes/gold diggers don't exist because they get stoned to death by their family members for stepping outside without a veil. This exaggerations is only a mild one, any requests for muslim working girls is met with extreme deflection due to scarcity of supply (there is also the aforementioned cultural 'acceptance' of sex work extant in other cultures that 2rafa highlighted, which does play a contributing though not exhaustive part).
The exception is Southeast Asia. A man can do EXTREMELY well passing as Arab to the local muslimahs, who if anything get praise for managing to sleep with an Arab.
I fail to see how this goes against anything I have said.
It’s trivial to observe that due to cultural factors eastern Slavic women have a tendency to easily become gold diggers or prostitutes under certain adverse conditions, while for example Muslim women don’t have this tendency under even more extreme adverse conditions. Your male relatives being prepared to use violence to keep your sexual purity is one of these cultural factors.
This doesn’t distract from my point at all.
Slavs are sluts and while Muslims are chaste (zero value judgment to those appellations) seems somewhat reductive but I do wonder if the axis is 'purity vs starvation' as opposed to innate sexual proclivities in the differing cultures. This is an idle thought not worth expending too many brain cells on; at least within the confined of this topics original bearing which I have risked derailing by thoughtlessly discussing perversions.
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Exactly! I am an unashamed punter, so I can claim to have direct observable experience with the working girls in various countries, and so I am legit curious if the slavs (highest point on the price to quality curve) have increased in quantity. Cheaper slavs is generally a good thing for punters looking for a good time.
Can't comment on the hypergamy, I think thats a function of economics - the Dubai scene seems to indicate Slavs are actually more circumspect than other participants, surprisingly.
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Socially acceptable? I don't get that impression. I would expect there to be more slut shaming in Russia than in Slovakia or Poland (are these the "others" you've been referring to?).
Can't be slutshamed in Russia if you snag a German husband!
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