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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 15, 2024

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It's not a question of it being good or bad, it's a question of not being able to understand the outrage at being forced to fight and die as others are out having fun.

Ok. I think it is bad that the Ukrainian government is forcing men to fight. The solution is to not do that, not force women to remain in the country or otherwise restrict them.

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You can understand, though, why this would be nuclear-tier propaganda as opposed to something bizarre? If a male is being forced at gunpoint to go to the front while his female counterpart is out partying on Tinder in Germany, is it surprising that the male would find it unfair and be resentful?

Would it? Do you think Ukrainian soldiers aren't aware that the women left behind aren't exactly bound to nunneries? It would be propaganda, sure. In fact there is at least one well-directed propaganda video made by Russia where an AFU soldier dies in the field in parallel with a corrupt upper-class Ukrainian fucking some woman. But nuclear would have to be a bit more illuminating than that, I think.

Besides, the Russians that are shelling them are close and real, while some abstract Ukrainian sluts are far away and hypothetical.

Nuclear may be an overstatement; effective is probably a better word. Although Ukrainian soldiers likely know what's going on, the propaganda's goal is not to inform but to increase the salience of that fact.

Few things can be more salient than shelling, and for every attempt to appeal to the Ukrainian's male pride there are 10 channels where he's called a pig and dehumanized by Russians.

Now, men who aren't conscripted yet are probably more fertile soil for such propaganda, but not by much. Ukrainian cities are getting hit as well, not just the frontline.

I think the attempts to demoralize potential Russian mobilized by telling them how their wife hopes to receive the KIAbuxx soon are more powerful.

Speaking for myself and my predicted effect of frontline life on morale - I currently want nothing but the highest humiliation upon Putin and his supporters, even at a cost to the country in general, but if I were packed to the frontline, I expect I'd hate the Khokhols more soon enough.

Sure, I agree. I think my reaction was more to the implicit "the government should be doing to women what it's doing to men" solution.

I'm not sure why you're reiterating your point about it being bad, when I explicitly said that it's not about that.

I think I misunderstood your reply. I understand how people can be outraged such a situation but I think they implicitly identify the wrong solution.

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