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Yeah, the domain just forwards to Substack.
There is no way these loading times are caused by the amount of text and images. I dare you to just repost the content as a post on a phpBB forum, on the cheapest web server you can find, and compare the loading times. It's downright depressing how bad the Internet has gotten, and how many people think this is somehow the cutting edge. I wanted to quote a recent comment describing the more general phenomenon of unsolving solved problems, but when I looked it up it turned out that you're the one who posted it.
I dunno, maybe it is something with the background scripts on ACX, but I could swear the reason is "the page for any ACX post is like 43 times longer than any non-TV-Tropes webpage needs to be, because the comments section is not truncated like on any other Substack post."
I can't easily find a reference for it, but I think Scott asked for his full comments to be inlined as part of his deal for moving his blog there (which was a big deal for Substack at the time).
I'm not sure if there's an option for it that just nobody else uses, or he's given a special case.
I guess since the comments perform fine in the tiny paginations everyone else has, and he's no longer as important to them since they've grown by orders of magnitude, they've never bothered fixing it.
Possible source (after holding the "end" key on my keyboard for five minutes to overcome the infinite scroll on the "archive" page)
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You might be right that the issue lies in the substack comment section, but what I'm saying is that if they implemented it well, it wouldn't be an issue. With today's hardware and infrastructure you should be able to load a book's worth of comments without batting an eye.
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