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I suppose, coming back to this topic, that the question is whether you’d rather have a failson or a whore daughter. My sense is that the latter is more preventable than the former, although I’m actually not sure.
Unfortunately, I think there's strong evidence that, until the 20th century in the West, the overwhelming majority of sons were failsons.
The stat is common enough that I won't take the time to cite it, but something like 70-80% of human ancestors are female. This makes all the sense in the world when you think about hypergamy especially before the true institutionalization of monogamous marriage (and, in many parts of the world, including the west, its continuation today). Warlords and kings ffffuuuccckkedddd and most soldiers, peasants, military-age-males did not.
The fact of the matter is most men in history failed to reproduce. Now, you can make some arguments (with which I would agree) that that doesn't necessarily make them automatic failures. If they led honorable and virtuous lives, if they died fighting for a worthwhile cause etc. But inherent in all of that is a lot of value judgements that could shift based on the viewer. Something like passing on your genes would probably be close to a human universal "he done good!' criteria. I am open to disagreement here. I'm just trying to establish as objective and discrete threshold as possible for fail/urenot-failure.
I lean towards the idea that having a whore daughter at least feels intrinsically worse because of the inherent value placed in women. Things like dowry's exist across hundreds of cultures for a reason - sexual and reproductive access is important.
But there may be a little trick here. How many women, across history, have a "ho phase" followed by decades of monogamy and legitimately good performance as a mother? You can adjust "ho phase" sensitivity by time and culture - anything from "Mom spent some time as a ... waitress ... on the sunset strip in the 1970s" all the way to "Lady Kingsbury-Hampton-Bottomtooth once spent an unchaperoned weekend in Marseille. London society was quite atwitter!" The point is if we're looking to designate "whore daughter" with some sort of discrete event or events the same way we are for failson --- you might have a higher number of qualifying applicants than you'd like.
Porn and OnlyFans are a different spectacle altogether. People do things in private, enjoy them or don't enjoy them, and adjust their behavior and values accordingly. When you broadcast intimate acts to literally the entire internet'ed world it really smacks of a lack of awareness or a deeply narcissistic tendency that, to me, is far more worrisome than the dick coefficient of your life. And here's where I'll beat my favorite deceased equine; the sexual revolution made whore-dom cool and passed it on to young women utterly incapable of making sound judgement calls on actions that will impact them for the rest of their life. I'm empathetic to a teen girl who is angsty with her Goldman Sachs dad (yo, but, like, can you maybe slip him my resume lol?). If she decides to go off for a few months with the town badass (barbed wire tattoos, somehow got sent both to and home from boot camp, "knows a guy who can get us illegal fireworks") that's fine. Or, rather, that used to be fine. Now it's ... not enough? Now "sexual expression" is .... FacialAbuse (dot) com (don't google it, save your soul).
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I’d personally rather have a failson. Maybe at some point he’ll find some ambition and turn his life in a better direction.
If a daughter’s gone whore, there’s no putting the toothpaste back in tube. The dicks she’s sucked and taken aren’t going to unsuck and untake themselves. It reminds me of a possibly apocryphal recount of the aftermath of a chick posing nude for Playboy, that her family went on with life as if she were dead.
In the Wang example, your beautiful little girl having a mixture of vomit and semen, and possibly urine and ass juices, rubbed on her face while she asks for more will forever be seared in your brain (until your death) and forever available in thousands of minds and hard-drives of people out there.
I don’t know about preventability, although I feel like I’ve thought about it and then forgot or kicked it out of my memory for cope reasons. I probably have more control over a son not being a failson than a daughter being a whore; there are substantial cultural pressures that encourage a daughter to be a whore, or at least a thot.
Interesting. I suppose, though, that the daughter is still likely to continue your genetic legacy, while the son probably isn’t.
Perhaps.
Indeed, historically and prehistorically-speaking, a daughter would be more likely to give you at least one grandchild compared to a son. However, a son can potentially give you many, such that the median/average is a wash, with maybe the average tilting in favor of a son (depending on who you are).
Especially in modern-times, there’s no guarantee a whoredaughter will provide more grandchildren than a failson, despite the dick and creampies she’s taken.
A failson might even provide more grandchildren than a success-son. A failson who spent his 20s as a bartender, leaving three children with some combination of babies’ mommas. Or a failson who, as a school teacher, married a former student in her late teens or early 20s, and they went on to have three or more children.
Versus a success-son, who Was a Decent Person and adhered faithfully to a PMC girl he met in undergrad, graduate school, or at work, after she had accumulated some miles under her belt. They get married in their late 20s to mid 30s, where they might eventually eke out a child or two with everyone’s fingers crossed. Zero children is a material possibility.
Another reason why having mutiple children is clutch, to diversify your offspring outcomes (and potential heartbreaks, whether it be failsons or whoredaughters).
Reading this cold hearted analysis mixed with terms like cream pies...it just makes me sad. Is this really the lense through which anyone should be viewing the world?
None of us are dukes of winchester that need to carry on the family line for the good of the country.
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