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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 26, 2022

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Well if you envision it as a game of chicken, the exchange has gone something like this:

EU: Stop invading Ukraine, or at least do it more quietly, or we're going to stop buying gas

RF: You're bluffing. You won't stop buying gas, you'll freeze to death. You don't care about the Ukies that much. Give us your money and shut up.

EU: We totally will stop buying gas, even if the poor freeze, we're Americans now we don't care about the poor. We're going to stop buying gas altogether in three months time. Three months time and you're cut off, no more money.

RF: Well, fine, fuck you, no more NS1 pipeline right now. "Maintenance" you know? See if you can hold up your end of the bargain.

Seen in this light, with Russia having recently called the EU's bluff by cutting off gas supplies early, it could make sense that a Western aligned actor attacked the pipeline for the purpose of calling Russia's bluff, "We don't need your stinking pipeline, in fact watch us blow it up." On the theory that Russia, realizing that pipeline diplomacy won't work, will be forced to settle for a lesser deal. Or it could be an escalation of Russia's earlier calling the EUs bluff, hoping to inspire panic in energy markets that will lead to cracks in the pro-war coalition in the West.

Not sure either plan will work. Both sides are far too organized to respond to intimidation in that way.

Well if you envision it as a game of chicken, the exchange has gone something like this:

EU: Stop invading Ukraine, or at least do it more quietly, or we're going to stop buying gas

RF: You're bluffing. You won't stop buying gas, you'll freeze to death. You don't care about the Ukies that much. Give us your money and shut up.

I approve of the game of chicken metaphor, but raise that it doesn't need to be a game of chicken between EU and RF, but could be between Germany and other members of the EU (or NATO) trying to constrain Germany's options.

While unlikely, it could also be an action by someone else trying to constraint Russia's options. As in- 'Russia, don't put your hopes on the Germans breaking ranks, they can't do so now.'

I approve of the game of chicken metaphor, but raise that it doesn't need to be a game of chicken between EU and RF, but could be between Germany and other members of the EU (or NATO) trying to constrain Germany's options.

Why not both? The benefits can be multi-faceted.

Euro gas futures markets have been chilling out for a bit, ironically.

The reason why it doesn't make much sense as Russian bluff/escalation is that the only important costs borne by Germany are political costs -- the cost of making difficult, painful, but ultimately strategically correct decisions. Taking that decision out of German hands is a gift. Blowing the pipeline ends the game, no more concessions to be extracted or cracks to leverage. However much Germans suffer this winter is of vastly less strategic import to Russia than the unified front of sanctions against it. That suffering is only a chip to be traded for relief on the latter, and is near useless on its own.

However much Germans suffer this winter is of vastly less strategic import to Russia than the unified front of sanctions against it. That suffering is only a chip to be traded for relief on the latter, and is near useless on its own.

I'd go so far as to say that German suffering is actively a bad thing for Russia. The goal of the game of chicken isn't to crash your opponent's car, it is to get him to swerve first. Both sides are attempting to show that they are indifferent to the suffering inflicted by cutting off trade, which is considerable on both sides. See the series of planted talking points stories in Western outlets recently, about how "actually Russian sanctions evasion in third countries is the ideal outcome for NATO because it stabilizes energy markets while forcing Russia to sell at a discount."

What better way to show that you are indifferent to the flow of gas being cut off than bombing the pipeline? It can be repaired for a few billion, the gain of your opponent folding in the face of your massive bluff is much higher.

The conspiracy theory I'm seeing is that it's Putin's way of not giving anyone who seeks to replace him a way out. If the pipelines are destroyed and Europe becomes energy-independentish then there's no way for a successor to make a rapprochement take things back to normal. Ship goes down with the captain.

If the pipelines are destroyed and Europe becomes energy-independentish

Not happening. Barring the discovery of some brand new too-cheap-to-meter form of energy generation. there's no way for Europe to become energy independent without a dramatic decrease in quality of life, energy usage and/or population.

They could power up the decommissioned nuclear plants, stop cutting production, and start fracking like there's no tomorrow. But they won't.

Very unconvincing to me, not least because Putin has been incredibly risk-adverse and reticent to do anything that could be construed as escalatory as far as Nato is concerned.

I'm not averse to blaming Russia, but that's way too complicated.

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