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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 15, 2024

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I realize that many people are in fact loyal to Trump. My point is that this is stupid and counterproductive. If you have a good reason that this is actually smart and productive, I would love to hear it.

Insofar as I understand Trump voters' motivations, "productive" is orthogonal, if not actively counter, to what they're looking for. Trump is essentially a big middle finger directed at (for want of a better term) the blue tribe, and many of them actively want to burn the government to the ground. This is not some rationalization I'm making up, it's a somewhat-close, if condensed, paraphrase of some of the defenses of voting for Trump that I've seen in this very space, or rather its predecessors.

I realize that many people are in fact loyal to Trump the progressive left. My point is that this is stupid and counterproductive. If you have a good reason that this is actually smart and productive, I would love to hear it.

IMHO, this is one millimeter away from "boo outgroup."

What's a "good reason" for being loyal? I don't think thats the point. The point is in figuring out why that loyalty exists, good or bad. Many other replies have tried to explain why. You seem to just continue to say, "yeah but that's dumb."

It's not wrong to ask for reasons for loyalty. Loyalty usually has some form of reciprocation as an intended part of the relationship.

Is he wrong to say that it's counterproductive? And in what ways? That would more substantively address the assertion.

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