BurdensomeCount
Apparently "BIPOC" is a racial slur now.
10mo ago
This is the sort of stuff which grinds my gears. Newag should be sued until they collapse and the company has to be sold off completely to someone else, who will hopefully be less shitty.
Ideally also from companies who employed them (one can dream).
Prison time would also work, I guess, but overall in such case "you are losing 50% of your wealth, guess you are selling your flat and going back to renting" seems a good penalty to me.
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do_something 10mo ago
The amount of losses incurred by this would be large enough that 50% might not actually even cover it. And going full-damages isn't unwarranted as a punitive measure either; this was nearly not caught, so any punitive measure has to massively exceed ill-gotten gains in order for it to be rendered clearly-negative-EV for the fraudster.
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This is the sort of stuff which grinds my gears. Newag should be sued until they collapse and the company has to be sold off completely to someone else, who will hopefully be less shitty.
I would be satisfied with responsible people being hit by large fines and maybe spending some time in prison (though not expecting this).
Yeah, to align incentives you do have to make the money come out of the people who made the criminal decisions.
Ideally also from companies who employed them (one can dream).
Prison time would also work, I guess, but overall in such case "you are losing 50% of your wealth, guess you are selling your flat and going back to renting" seems a good penalty to me.
(not that such outcome is likely)
The amount of losses incurred by this would be large enough that 50% might not actually even cover it. And going full-damages isn't unwarranted as a punitive measure either; this was nearly not caught, so any punitive measure has to massively exceed ill-gotten gains in order for it to be rendered clearly-negative-EV for the fraudster.
Sadly, courts in Poland love to give sentences like "you have stolen 2 million? 2 months of prison, without requiring to give defrauded money back".
I would take spending 2 months in Polish prison for 2 million.
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