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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 25, 2023

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Bachelor parties have been getting progressively more depressing over the past decade. To be honest, I kinda wish we could go back to the days when some guys wouldn't want to go to strip clubs because it would make their insecure fiance uncomfortable - at least I can understand wanting to compromise for your loved one (although I don't think it bodes well for the relationship).

These past few years I have noped out of two bachelor parties which refused to go to a strip club or hire a stripper because it would make the groom uncomfortable. In my opinion someone who still blushes at the sight of a nipple isn't ready to get married. Like, I get not being interested in strip clubs - I'm too cheap to venture into one outside of special occasions like a bachelor party or an 18th birthday party - but like you said, a bachelor party is supposed to be about doing things you aren't supposed to do once you are married!

These past few years I have noped out of two bachelor parties which refused to go to a strip club or hire a stripper because it would make the groom uncomfortable.

Unbelievable. Such a tremendous amount of soy.

I wonder to what extent this has resulted from the parallelism: it's assumed that both bride and groom will have a Bachelor/ette and that they will be equivalent.