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Because a bunch of European countries blame themselves when Muslims don't like them or don't integrate or kills hundreds of their fellow citizens in terrorist attacks.
Those European countries don’t have an army to fight or territory to conquer. The one time there really was a state that openly aligned itself with Islamist terrorism in the West a multinational coalition of Western powers invaded and occupied it for 20 years.
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I don't think this is true - many European countries would simply not retaliate at all if left to their own devices.
The last time they retaliated we got two world wars.
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Notably, Hamas wasn’t leaving Israel to its own devices, and nobody had any reasonable expectation that they would.
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Because a bunch of European countries blame themselves when Muslims don't like them or don't integrate or kills hundreds of their fellow citizens in terrorist attacks.
Those European countries don’t have an army to fight or territory to conquer. The one time there really was a state that openly aligned itself with Islamist terrorism in the West a multinational coalition of Western powers invaded and occupied it for 20 years.
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I disagree. Getting invaded and genocided has a way of focusing the mind.
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