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I don’t think ZHPL is necessarily wrong here. There are plenty of historic examples of society rejecting previously held beliefs. Rome embraced Catholicity and ended up rejecting homosexuality and banning crucifixion. Weimar Germany was a pretty libertine society with open homosexuality and cross dressing. Embrace of Islam curbed the excesses of Persia.
People respond to the movements that are alpha-masculine and forcefully say “this is what we’re doing now. Get on board”. The Catholic willing to die rather than bend the knee, the Muslim willing to fight, kill and die for Islam, the German paramilitary groups willing to get down and dirty — these can have a profound effect on how the rest of the society sees social issues. I think it’s the very act of being willing to confront society head-on without hesitation. People will always follow the strong willing to lead.
“When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong horse.”
Yeah, there’s no guarantee that people correctly assess which horse is strong. Or that willingness to lead actually implies strength.
People's opinion don't matter, only power matters, and will is a necessary prerequisite to it and one of the main deciders of who endures.
If an organized minority group faces an opposition that does not believe in its own legitimacy, they win, even if their ideas are unpopular. There is endless historical precedent of that.
Few wanted bolchevism, few wanted Mussolini. But that does not enter into it. Will is not the only component of political strength, but it is an important one.
Be that as it may, it’s not what OP was arguing with
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