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PaperclipPerfector  1yr ago (text post)   4498 thread views

Small-Scale Question Sunday for November 5, 2023

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You said

the difference in age and social stature [emphasis added]

That said, Taylor Swift is also older than a fourteen year-old. I guess we have to ban them from going to her concerts.

I do not see the correlation between attending concerts and sexual activity with the performer. While underage fans might desire such a sexual relationship, for the reasons I spelled out before if the adult allows or facilitates such activity it's sexual coercion and manipulation by the mere fact that one party is an adult and the other is a fourteen year old.

You said:

Children cannot give consent.

and

the difference in age and social stature on the part of the child renders any of their agreement to be coerced and manipulated.

I said:

We basically never say that age/social stature differences inherently make agreements coerced/manipulated, invalidating consent. We don't even have to go to hypotheticals about Taylor Swift wanting to have sex with someone... though we could; how could a "normal" person possibly consent to having sex with Taylor Swift, given her immense social stature advantage? This sort of reasoning kills a normal person's ability to consent to the transaction of buying a ticket to a Taylor Swift concert! How could they possibly consent, given the massive different in social stature?!

The invalidating feature to me is her age. The status of being adult is what is causing these relationships to be coercive and manipulative. Taylor Swift with other adults (regardless of status of either adult) is not considered since age difference is not a factor.

So, you'd like to withdraw your "and social stature"?

Its meaning is 'both' not 'or' social stature here is conferred by adultstatus.

Does social stature as "adult status" mean "age"? If so, then "age and social stature" is redundant. If not, then you still have some explaining to do.

I feel I have made my opinion known, as restrictive and irrational as it is. I don't see what benefits are of further discussion.

I think you have said words, but you haven't given any sense of what those words mean. If you're fine with that, so be it. However, it won't be very convincing to anyone else.

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