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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 23, 2023

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I have no data to prove this, but from all my life experience it seems plain that, if women could still get attention and commitment without having to be sexually available as they could in my grandmother's youth, far fewer of them would be sexually available.

I don't think this is true, or it is at least incomplete. I'm reminded of an old reddit comment from /u/janearcade:

This I'm not sure about. I often read the trope of "men jumping through hoops desperately for the opportunity for sex." But when the topic of the sex trade comes up, I often also read (and this has been more of my experience), "Men doesn't just want sex they pay for, they want warmth and love and support for a woman they can trust."

I think there is a large unmet demand from men for such supportive relationships that women could tap into if they truly just wanted "attention and commitment without having to be sexually available". It feels more like women largely don't want to be supportive of their partners in this way and use sexual availability to get a facsimile of the "attention and commitment" they desire from men instead. I'd wager that women in your grandmother's youth were much more open to providing that emotional support.

I'd wager that women in your grandmother's youth were much more open to providing that emotional support.

Women in your great-grandmother's youth were busy trying to ban alcohol (and even succeeded in a wide variety of cases) and constantly getting men killed for a variety of stupid reasons.
The relationship between the sexes has always been like this. "Your desire will be for your husband, and he shall rule over you", "he [man] will crush your head, and you [woman] will strike his heel", etc.

I think there is a large unmet demand from men for such supportive relationships that women could tap into if they truly just wanted "attention and commitment without having to be sexually available".

Women do want this- men, on the other hand, usually call this "the friend zone". The problem with this is that [emotional intimacy] can induce desire for [physical intimacy] in men, and vice versa for women, but that's just the nature of relationships-while-adult, I think. That balance of drives "favors" the male side of the reaction anyway- but I suspect that the solution to this is "well, just make friends with older women" (which is, humorously, just the cougar relationship strategy in the other direction).

it does seem to be the case that women are often ill-equipped to emotionally support men.

X-supremacy movements are absolutely used as justification for absolutely vicious cunt-ery, but I don't think it's really caused by X. In other words, an X to whom a X-supremacy movement appeals, and is very public about their adherence to the movement, is likely already predisposed to being a vicious cunt rather than fruitful co-operation (unless it's fruitful co-operation supremacy, but those ones have their own problems) and is best avoided; choosing a woman who is a vicious cunt when the man isn't himself is [the spear counterpart for the concept of] absolutely "marrying down".

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