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Black Americans are, well, American. It's not a symbol of Americans being replaced by foreigners, at all.
Look, there are legitimate criticisms of this- it'll probably get replaced with something incredibly stupid that's supposedly a tribute to black people, negrolatry is seemingly now a legitimate actual thing, anti-White ideologies like to use anti-confederacy(and as sympathetic as I am to the south, the confederacy is factually very easy to criticize) as a motte, etc, etc. But African Americans are not foreigners. You don't have to like blacks(and while I try to treat them well, on a personal level I don't) to acknowledge that their families have been here longer than the median White American's.
Kind of. They are Black Americans, with a society and culture distinct and separate. A kind of parallel society, and one that seems antagonistic to the other Americans. Similar to South Africa, really.
They aren't kind of Americans. They simply are Americans. I'm not eager to get into what defines who is and isn't an American, but it seems pretty clear to me that anyone who's family has been living in the United States for ~2 hundred years (or potentially even longer) is an American with no caveats. Additionally, I don't know if I agree with your framing as African American culture as being separate from the broader culture of the United States. It may be distinct but it certainly is not separate. It certainly isn't comparable to the situation in South Africa where there is a unique African culture and identity that was not shaped by European influences. African American culture in the United States is inextricably entwined with what you might call American culture and it has unquestionably shaped (and been shaped by) the broader culture in the United States.
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This. This comment right here.
People on the Motte make a lot of fun, often correctly, of the newest crop of social historians and academics and a lot of the crap they produce. But this comment demonstrates in my eyes quite convincingly that they have something of value buried there.
It’s a classic example of “othering”. American is literally by definition not something you can split up. It refers to nationality, not any sort of subgroup. It refers to a broad group political construct of humans. And deliberately sectioning it off for no good reason only plays into the hands of bad actors. And historically, it’s downright ignorant. America does have a large history of immigration that is literally inseparable from its current makeup.
Source? I disagree, "American" is at least as much cultural as it is political. It's why grinding down immigrant (and native) enclaves was seen as a worthwhile project, why public schools were so massively popular, and why Hollywood was so inmportant both domestically and abroad in shaping what America is. Baseball, Coca-Cola, and apple pie are not political projects, and I absolutely reject any attempt to define them out of any importance to the concept of "America." I'd like to believe that only ivory tower academics could be so disconnected from society that they believe that the only thing American about America is writings on dusty papers.
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Mostly agree. And I think most of Maga agrees.
Even for the leftist colonizer camp - black people were forced to America so not colonizers. And don’t have a connection to their homeland. Maga types would think blocking immigration helps black labor.
The only differences that come up would be on the issue of dealing with black criminality with the left. So let us jail the 1-2% of the black population that is a serious problem.
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