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naraburns  nihil supernum  1yr ago (text post)   29411 thread views

Israel-Gaza Megathread #1

This is a megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.

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One billion IQ move: signal boost empathy with and sympathy for oppressed Muslims exactly when Europe faces an ongoing migration crisis from North Africa and the Sahel (entirely Muslim) that has nothing to do with Gaza. This surely couldn’t backfire in any way 👍.

Israel isn’t going to change its ethnat policies because some Norwegian politician cries on TV about Gaza, but if the right starts sympathizing with Palestinians that’s only going to have a one-way effect on immigration. If they could get over their hatred of Jews, they’d realize that amplifying Israeli rhetoric about savage barbarians etc would be far more likely to turn European populations against mass immigration (“it could happen here soon enough”).

amplifying Israeli rhetoric about savage barbarians etc would be far more likely to turn European populations against mass immigration

And that’s exactly what the mainstream right is doing. A handful of conspiracy theorists and racialists support Hamas because they hate Jews more than brown people, yes, but I guarantee you Fox News has as hard an editorial line as Ben Shapiro.

amplifying Israeli rhetoric about savage barbarians etc would be far more likely to turn European populations against mass immigration

I think that only enables the media to shift the blame for the 'savage barbarians' rhetoric from Israelis to the right, a very convenient framing. Showing yourself capable of seeing past ethnicity/religion, and comfortably lampooning double standards seem beneficial enough to warrant the sympathy signal boost, especially if the angle is 'natives mistreated'.

Since when has “natives mistreated” mapped to sympathy for whites, anywhere?

That's fair, I'm hoping that after some tweaks it can be made to map there.

Israel isn’t going to change its ethnat policies because some Norwegian politician cries on TV about Gaza

I don't care about Israel. Sure it's sad if some Israelis die brutally but it's not really my problem.

It does matter when my local government asks me to send money to Israel to fight their problems on their behalf.

If they could get over their hatred of Jews, they’d realize that amplifying Israeli rhetoric about savage barbarians etc would be far more likely to turn European populations against mass immigration (“it could happen here soon enough”).

We already did the 'fight Middle-East wars on behalf of Israel' gig and all that's got us is migrants, terrorist attacks, and more authoritarian governments suppressing right-wing political expression.

Plenty of Western leaders have called foreigners 'savages' but all that's got them is to be labelled some variation of 'nazi' aided by the media-intelligence-NGO apparatus, to be banned from media or to be criminally prosecuted.

Don't you wish you had an American President ready to label Palestine a 'shithole' country?

The only way for Western countries to stop the migrant flow is for Westerners to stop letting them in and have hard, authoritarian measures against foreigners and pro-natives. If the same people crying about Hamas right now would have stopped crying about Trump, nazis, fascism, Charlottesville, Jan 6, AfD, Golden Dawn... Maybe I'd care. Now all I can say is #OpenBordersforIsrael

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