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Israel-Gaza Megathread #1
This is a megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
The Palestinian terror attacks were a type of brutality I don't think anybody in the modern western world has ever seen before.
Baffling statement as far as I am concerned. Nothing I've seen so far made we wince the way some videos from Ukraine do. Then there are cartel videos, and minor events like, for example, that tourist woman getting beheaded in Morocco (?). This is of course just the tip of the brutality iceberg that's easy to access.
I've seen some videos of Israelis getting shot, some dead women, some captive scared women. Stuff that, to me, does not feel out of place in Israel, considering the unresolved conflict. Is there any actually gruesome stuff out there?
I think the Hamas videos have mostly hit that sweet spot of "bad enough to be shocking, tame enough that people will watch it" that have allowed them to go viral. A lot of people have seen the German girl in the back of the truck getting spat on or the dead Israeli soldier getting stomped on, but not so many have watched the one where Hamas is trying to decapitate the Filipino guy with a garden hoe. That's just too much.
Right exactly, like you have to be an extreme degenerate to watch some of the worse cartel videos, they’re truly scarring. The Israel ones are shocking but the descriptions lead people who would never click on ‘NSFL Cartel Execution’ to watch them.
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2rafa 1yr ago
I guess I'm an extreme degenerate then. But I'm a strong believer in diving first swimming later. You don't grasp the true weight of the situation if you don't see the worst of it.
Am I scarred? No. If anything I'm better off. No matter how bad things get, at least I didn't piss off the zetas. The cartel videos gave me a new scale of how bad things truly can get.
What videos from Ukraine are you referring to? I have seen a lot of videos with brutal combat footage or savage treatment of POWs, but I have not seen any comparable videos featuring civilians — worst ones are just civilians getting blown up by munitions hitting civilian areas, nothing comparable to Hamas.
I am primarily referring to 'brutal combat footage or savage treatment of POWs', yes. If the question is the emotional, subjective impact (what I meant by 'wince') of an individual video, I think it does not matter who the victim is, it all comes down to either extreme cruelty in full display or detail. There is a well known trench combat video when one of the surprised soldiers gets shot, you begin to hear him scream in fear and agony, and barely a second later his is shot again and silent - I mean this sort of detail. Meanwhile photos from Bucha mentioned below did nothing of the sort for me, as bad as murder is.
Photos that came out of Bucha is going to be the default answer. Incidental and collateral causalities don't typically have their hands tied. Of course, we live in an age of information warfare and PR so consume and verify according to your preferences.
I know about these, but I can hardly believe that these static photos of the aftermath made the original poster “wince”, compared to the videos of Hamas attack. I assumed that he referred to something else.
I haven't really seen it either, and that's despite a recent dip in the /pol pool -- it does seem to be very much what Current Thingers want everyone to believe though.
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Baffling statement as far as I am concerned. Nothing I've seen so far made we wince the way some videos from Ukraine do. Then there are cartel videos, and minor events like, for example, that tourist woman getting beheaded in Morocco (?). This is of course just the tip of the brutality iceberg that's easy to access.
I've seen some videos of Israelis getting shot, some dead women, some captive scared women. Stuff that, to me, does not feel out of place in Israel, considering the unresolved conflict. Is there any actually gruesome stuff out there?
I think the Hamas videos have mostly hit that sweet spot of "bad enough to be shocking, tame enough that people will watch it" that have allowed them to go viral. A lot of people have seen the German girl in the back of the truck getting spat on or the dead Israeli soldier getting stomped on, but not so many have watched the one where Hamas is trying to decapitate the Filipino guy with a garden hoe. That's just too much.
Right exactly, like you have to be an extreme degenerate to watch some of the worse cartel videos, they’re truly scarring. The Israel ones are shocking but the descriptions lead people who would never click on ‘NSFL Cartel Execution’ to watch them.
I guess I'm an extreme degenerate then. But I'm a strong believer in diving first swimming later. You don't grasp the true weight of the situation if you don't see the worst of it.
Am I scarred? No. If anything I'm better off. No matter how bad things get, at least I didn't piss off the zetas. The cartel videos gave me a new scale of how bad things truly can get.
Yeah. Pissing off the Zetas is suicide, if you do it it's best to always have bombs or grenades on you...
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What videos from Ukraine are you referring to? I have seen a lot of videos with brutal combat footage or savage treatment of POWs, but I have not seen any comparable videos featuring civilians — worst ones are just civilians getting blown up by munitions hitting civilian areas, nothing comparable to Hamas.
I am primarily referring to 'brutal combat footage or savage treatment of POWs', yes. If the question is the emotional, subjective impact (what I meant by 'wince') of an individual video, I think it does not matter who the victim is, it all comes down to either extreme cruelty in full display or detail. There is a well known trench combat video when one of the surprised soldiers gets shot, you begin to hear him scream in fear and agony, and barely a second later his is shot again and silent - I mean this sort of detail. Meanwhile photos from Bucha mentioned below did nothing of the sort for me, as bad as murder is.
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Photos that came out of Bucha is going to be the default answer. Incidental and collateral causalities don't typically have their hands tied. Of course, we live in an age of information warfare and PR so consume and verify according to your preferences.
I know about these, but I can hardly believe that these static photos of the aftermath made the original poster “wince”, compared to the videos of Hamas attack. I assumed that he referred to something else.
There were videos of Russian at checkpoint shooting civilian cars (and murdering whoever was also inside and dragging their corpses into wood).
And some recording from Mariupol (including some captured over several days by teenagers and younger).
But nothing significantly worse than what Hamas proudly published.
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I haven't really seen it either, and that's despite a recent dip in the /pol pool -- it does seem to be very much what Current Thingers want everyone to believe though.
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