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PaperclipPerfector  1yr ago (text post)   2821 thread views

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Adjectives modify nouns. Adverbs modify verbs and adjectives.

Here, "exhorting" modifies "Akpu".

Sorry, that's what I meant -- the point being, how can 'exhorting' modify 'Akpu'? It's not a property of Akpu, it's an action being taken towards him. (ie. a verb)

'I saw Babu run after Akpu' -- you would say that the 'run after' construction is some sort of adjective? It's not -- 'run after Akpu' is a subordinate phrase.

As I said previously, "exhorting" is simultaneously an adjective and a verb. In its capacity as an adjective, it modifies "Akpu"; and, in its capacity as a verb, it takes "Akpu" as a subject.

Again, I am not a linguist, but that's how I model this situation.

Well you are wrong -- it's not even referring to Akpu, it's the action taken by Babu.

Consider 'I saw Babu exhorting the irritated Akpu on the virtues of ChatGPT' -- 'irritated' is an adjective referring to Akpu, whereas in "I saw Babu punch Akpu", 'punch' is clearly a verb. Your original sentence is like the latter, not the former.

You seem to be saying that, if a participle is active, then it must be treated exclusively as a verb, with no trace of adjective nature. I reject that assertion.

I'm saying that "exhorted" is not a participle in this case at all -- why would it be? (other than 'a robot told me')

We're talking about "exhorting", not "exhorted".

Here are some sentence diagrams.

Just because it ends in 'ing' doesn't mean it's a participle acting as an adverb; an example of this (which I think the LLM was reaching for, and maybe you) would be "a racing car".

Can you see how "racing" is describing the type of car (adjective) while "exhorting" is not saying anything about Babulal? It's a verb in this sentence; why wouldn't it be?

You're making this discussion more difficult by mixing up (1) adjectives and adverbs and (2) Akpu and Babulal.

In the sentence "I heard Akpu exhorting Babulal to use ChatGPT", "exhorting" is (1) an adjective that modifies "Akpu" and (2) a verb that takes "Akpu" as its subject and "Babulal" as its object, simultaneously. That's the definition of what a participle is.

In exactly the same fashion, in the sentence "I heard Akpu's exhorting Babulal to use ChatGPT", "exhorting" is (1) a noun that is (a) the object of "heard" and (b) modified by "Akpu's" and (2) a verb that takes Babulal as its object, simultaneously. That's the definition of what a gerund is.

I fail to see how this doesn't make sense to you.

(In the phrase "the racing car looks fast but isn't going anywhere", I'm tempted to think that "racing" actually is a gerund, not a participle—i. e., "the car made for racing", similar to "the cake icing" = "the icing made for cake".)

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