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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 14, 2023

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you are claiming that they "worship the God of Israel and believe in the Jewish covenant."

I am actually stunned, you think it's some controversy to say that they worship the God of Israel and affirm the claims of the covenant described in the Hebrew bible? From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, "the first to hear the Word of God." The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."

They absolutely do worship the same god, how is this even a controversy? They acknowledge the Torah as being true!

I have the most exposure to Catholic doctrine and Southern Evangelical culture, and the latter is more rabidly pro-Jew than Catholics, and Catholics according to doctrine absolutely believe they worship the same god.

Why can't you just bite the bullet and admit that this is true? That's what I don't understand. How is it even controversial to claim Christians worship the God of Israel? Their Holy text lays this out verbatim, they affirm the Hebrew bible as being true...

For all your indignation that I pull off your lampshade by talking about ZOG and the Elders of Zion and neo-Nazis, you never deny that this is where you are coming from

I don't deny it because it's just ad hominem and I don't like to let people try to derail the conversation by trying to manipulate denunciations from their interlocutors. I didn't talk about ZOG, or the Elders of Zion, or neo-Nazis, I talked about Jesus and Paul and the Old Testament. You started talking about those things to try to discredit me and derail the conversation, me ignoring your attempt to do this does not constitute a non-denial, it's called being ignored for bringing nothing to the conversation.

I talk about how Christians worship the Jewish god and then you go on about Neo-Nazis. You're the one who's ideologically motivated, I'm calling a spade a spade.

I can't tell if you are being disingenuous or are just genuinely unaware that this is old (very, very old) news and ten different Christian denominations will have ten or twelve different things to say about "Are you a Jewish religion?"

They are a Jewish religion, it doesn't matter whether it's old news or new news, it matters that this fact is true and important. It also doesn't matter if they have ten or twelve answers, the only coherent answer is "yes." They do worship a Jewish god, their own holy texts that they hold as being true lays this out verbatim. They worship the King of the Jews. Obviously it's controversial if people like you are keen to deny it flat in the face of all the evidence.

I am actually stunned

No, you aren't.

you think it's some controversy to say that they worship the God of Israel and affirm the claims of the covenant described in the Hebrew bible?

No, I do not. Try responding to the entire paragraph, not just that one sentence you excerpted.

I have the most exposure to Catholic doctrine and Southern Evangelical culture, and the latter is more rabidly pro-Jew than Catholics, and Catholics according to doctrine absolutely believe they worship the same god.

Southern Evangelicals are "pro-Jew" in the sense that they believe Israel is necessary to fulfill prophecy and bring about the End Times. Notably, they also believe that Jews who don't accept Christ are absolutely going to hell.

Why can't you just bite the bullet and admit that this is true?

Why can't you be honest about what I said? Yes, Jews and Christians and Muslims all worship the same God. They also each believe the others are worshiping him wrongly. The part you are excerpting and pretending to be "stunned" about is specifically your references to the "God of Israel" which, in the specific and deliberate way that you use the term, is trying to cast Christianity as a literally Jewish religion. Not a religion whose origins were as a splinter sect of Judaism, but basically something engineered and puppeted by Jews.

That is what I am disputing with you, and you know exactly what I meant.