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Sure I can. The problem is, I've read all your theories about why Jews are "special" and should be treated as uniquely inimical. I can do anthropological analysis as well as you can. I find your analyses unconvincing. It's not because I have some mental block put there by Da Joos. It's because I think you're wrong and illogical, and your entire ideology is
JewishChinese robbers all the way down.Why should anyone bat an eye, any more than they bat an eye at "Without Jesus, there is no hope"? Sure, I listen to that speech and roll my eyes. "Religion, how quaint," as you put it. And it's no different than any other zealot spouting off about his religious beliefs.
No, that's not how it works. You are the one claiming there is a "there" (hostile Jews waging tribal warfare against everyone else since the beginning of time) there. That's your ideology. You're just engaging in your own form of religious weakmanning, like the Christian who claims obviously we all know God is real and Jesus is Lord, and anyone who claims otherwise is just lying to himself and letting Satan whisper lies in his ear. You need to prove your case, not insist it's just obviously obvious and it's only Jew-ideologies keeping us from seeing it.
I have proven my case by showing that Christians worship the Jewish god of Israel and believe in the Jewish covenant - that God chose them among all the nations, and those Christians were converted by a Jewish messiah and a Jewish apostle, and believe in the Jewish bible and accept the Hebrew histories as divine truth... That is all insurmountable evidence that Christianity is indeed a Jewish religion, a fact which you denied, and you have presented no evidence for your claim that it is something other than a Jewish religion fundamentally, which worships a Jew as an actual god in a religious form that was established by a Jew who was an apostle to the Gentiles. You have just taken the "point and sputter" approach by talking about Elders of Zion and ZOG without presenting evidence that Christianity is not a Jewish religion.
It is fundamentally different, the content of these beliefs actually matters, it's not just all the same. It actually impacts the way we view the world and engage with others around us. It impacts how we view ourselves and how we view and treat others.
No, you've pointed out that Christianity was originally a Jewish splinter sect (which is like pointing out that Rome once ruled Gaul - were you under the impression that this is secret knowledge?), and you are claiming that they "worship the God of Israel and believe in the Jewish covenant."
I don't know how familiar you actually are with Christianity - if you have ever been a Christian, or only studied it from a hostile white nationalist ZOG-hating perspective - but the question of whether Jews and Christians worship the same god, and whether the Jewish covenant was replaced by the new covenant represented by Jesus Christ is a whole thing with lots of exegesis around it. These are issues that seminarians debate and books are written about, and have been since basically the first century A.D. Suffice it to say that some Christians do take the position you describe, that "Judeo-Christianity" is a thing and the Jews are God's Chosen People, and some very much do not.
No. What I said is that Christianity was originally a Jewish splinter sect. Is it a "Jewish religion"? In the same sense that Islam is a "Judeo-Christian" religion (Islam claims that the Torah and the Bible are both valid holy books which are completed by the Quran). They obviously share history and many of the same holy books. But I am pretty sure what you mean by "Jewish religion" is something other than that - something more in keeping with your ongoing narrative about Jews sneakily subverting and manipulating everything they come in contact with. Do I deny that Christianity is a massive historical Jewish psy-op, in other words? Well, yes, I do find that unlikely.
I may be pointing, but I am not sputtering. For all your indignation that I pull off your lampshade by talking about ZOG and the Elders of Zion and neo-Nazis, you never deny that this is where you are coming from, which is why I am so persistent in putting them on the table in plain sight. Your tactics could as fairly be described as "Look, squirrel!" when people drill in on your specific claims. Yes, Christians worship a Messiah who was a Jew. That is... not something that has ever been in dispute. The neo-Nazi interpretation of this is "Christians worship a Jew, like the Greeks worshipped Zeus!" You might try actually looking at how Christians see it, they have probably spent more time than you have thinking about this. Of course I don't really care about Christian theology per se, but you seem to think you are sharing some shocking truth about the Jewish Origins of Christianity, and I can't tell if you are being disingenuous or are just genuinely unaware that this is old (very, very old) news and ten different Christian denominations will have ten or twelve different things to say about "Are you a Jewish religion?"
And again, this is no different from any other zealot spouting off about his religious beliefs. Yes, what Jews say, what Christians say, what Muslims say, what atheists say, actually impacts the way we view the world and engage with others around us.
And? Where is the big reveal about Jews and how they're different?
I am actually stunned, you think it's some controversy to say that they worship the God of Israel and affirm the claims of the covenant described in the Hebrew bible? From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
They absolutely do worship the same god, how is this even a controversy? They acknowledge the Torah as being true!
I have the most exposure to Catholic doctrine and Southern Evangelical culture, and the latter is more rabidly pro-Jew than Catholics, and Catholics according to doctrine absolutely believe they worship the same god.
Why can't you just bite the bullet and admit that this is true? That's what I don't understand. How is it even controversial to claim Christians worship the God of Israel? Their Holy text lays this out verbatim, they affirm the Hebrew bible as being true...
I don't deny it because it's just ad hominem and I don't like to let people try to derail the conversation by trying to manipulate denunciations from their interlocutors. I didn't talk about ZOG, or the Elders of Zion, or neo-Nazis, I talked about Jesus and Paul and the Old Testament. You started talking about those things to try to discredit me and derail the conversation, me ignoring your attempt to do this does not constitute a non-denial, it's called being ignored for bringing nothing to the conversation.
I talk about how Christians worship the Jewish god and then you go on about Neo-Nazis. You're the one who's ideologically motivated, I'm calling a spade a spade.
They are a Jewish religion, it doesn't matter whether it's old news or new news, it matters that this fact is true and important. It also doesn't matter if they have ten or twelve answers, the only coherent answer is "yes." They do worship a Jewish god, their own holy texts that they hold as being true lays this out verbatim. They worship the King of the Jews. Obviously it's controversial if people like you are keen to deny it flat in the face of all the evidence.
No, you aren't.
No, I do not. Try responding to the entire paragraph, not just that one sentence you excerpted.
Southern Evangelicals are "pro-Jew" in the sense that they believe Israel is necessary to fulfill prophecy and bring about the End Times. Notably, they also believe that Jews who don't accept Christ are absolutely going to hell.
Why can't you be honest about what I said? Yes, Jews and Christians and Muslims all worship the same God. They also each believe the others are worshiping him wrongly. The part you are excerpting and pretending to be "stunned" about is specifically your references to the "God of Israel" which, in the specific and deliberate way that you use the term, is trying to cast Christianity as a literally Jewish religion. Not a religion whose origins were as a splinter sect of Judaism, but basically something engineered and puppeted by Jews.
That is what I am disputing with you, and you know exactly what I meant.
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