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Small-Scale Question Sunday for August 6, 2023

Do you have a dumb question that you're kind of embarrassed to ask in the main thread? Is there something you're just not sure about?

This is your opportunity to ask questions. No question too simple or too silly.

Culture war topics are accepted, and proposals for a better intro post are appreciated.

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How big of a deal in the US is the womens soccer world cup which is currently happening, in comparison to the mens one last year?

I’ll answer not just for the US, but for the world:

The FIFA WWC, like professional women’s leagues and the Paralympics, is an exercise in charity and post-Christian generosity.

If the question is the magnitude of the WWC on a financial scale:

While there are indeed some supporters of female athletes, none of them watch for the quality of the game. Some are interested in the few celebrity athletes like Marta, Rapinoe, Morgan, etc.; some are interested in the teams because the badge on their shirt matches that worn by great male athletes; some enjoy watching their respective national teams in everything from table tennis to water polo. The sum total of those viewership demographics doesn’t even justify FIFA’s broadcasting fees and advertiser dollars; add to that the many women footballers who wish to self-identify as millionaires and there’s a negative value in the pot. But the men’s game makes money on such an exponential scale that FIFA can rob Peter to pay Pauline without anyone raising an eyebrow.

If the question is the magnitude of the WWC on a sporting scale:

The only reason anyone is genuinely interested in a women’s football team is because the great men of history got them interested by playing the game at a superhuman level, and virtually no one is genuinely interested… especially women.

If I take an interest in my club or my nation’s U21 or B Team, there is at least a cohesive interest there: one of those seemingly unimportant names could one day become a legend. If I take an interest in my club or my nation’s women’s team, I’m cheering for the badge and supporting the name only because the men's badge is upon them, just as I might look more fondly on Miller Lite because they put the badge on their can… “well, it doesn’t really mean anything, but I like the men’s team and want to incentivize great things coming to them in any way, shape, or form.”

Indeed, it seems the women footballers themselves don’t care about the quality of the game… just a few hours ago the USWNT were laughing and enjoying themselves after embarrassing their national colors on a (paltry; see above) global scale. They know the real issue is the culture war, and they’ve already won a bigger prize than any silly gold cup in that arena… they forced the hand of their national federation, stole money from the men’s team, and persuaded PMC women that the boys were being big meanies… all over a completely fabricated issue in which they were the liars and the men were the victims.

And that’s the bigger point. Most “supporters” (can you be a supporter if you never watch the thing you support?) of women’s football support the idea of women’s football rather than the game itself, as part of the timeless playground tug of war between boys and girls (and, on the girls’ side, the white knights). In light of that tug of war, the WWC even existing is such a victory that the argument could have ended right there, except that, of course, there will never be an end and we will always be expected to give up more and more resources into the bottomless pit of women’s sports because it makes the people whose hands grasp the wrists of those in power feel good.

I find soccer to be a silly sport because of the penalty kicks. It's like if, say, the NBA had a kind of free throw that was worth 50 points. I don't see how anyone takes it seriously. I find women's soccer to actually be more entertaining to watch than men's soccer because the women don't flop as much. The "quality of the game" in the sense of how skillfully the men can pass the ball to each other and take shots on goal doesn't mean much to me if the games are decided by referee decisions to a greater extent than any other major sport.

Not very. Liberals don’t care about sports, although they’ll girl power posture if women’s team USA is doing particularly well. Conservatives find the women’s soccer team annoying. Apolitical people like sports, but not women’s sports, and like team USA, but generally not soccer.

There are loads of liberals who care about sports. Just look at the big sport subreddits, for example.

For example I don't know if we've ever won before, and I don't care. Also true of mens soccer. I generally know who won the super bowl and have watched it a few times. It also makes the news when the baseball and hockey stuff (stanley cup and... ok don't know the name of the baseball.... world series?)

Liberals don’t care about sports

I know plenty of liberals who are sports fans. AOC and Bernie Sanders are both baseball fans, for example.