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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 17, 2023

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I have two things to say here:

  1. You apparently created this account for the sole purpose of attacking @HlynkaCG because you really dislike him. Creating a throwaway account just to prosecute a grudge against one person is pretty petty. I am in no way giving @HlynkaCG favorable treatment here or trying to protect him, but when your only comments are attacking him specifically (and I have to manually approve your comments to let them out of the filter), well, probably next time I won't bother.

  2. That said - @HlynkaCG, they're right. This is not speaking as a mod, so you are not being modded here, but speaking as a spectator who's more sympathetic to your POV on racial issues than @Hoffmeister25's, jesus, man, this is embarrassing. I award you the L and zero points. Do better.

I would like to argue that it's not my fault that these people are morons who can't read. but intellectual integrity require that I acknowledge that communication is a two way street and that the blame for a failure in communication must ultimately fall upon the communicator IE me.

You, @Hoffmeister25 @zeke5123 @somedude Et Al, are claiming that I made that I made specific factual claims but I don't see it that way, I simply extrapolated from what was presented, and I can't help but notice that no one here seems to have actually attacked my conclusion.

Listen, you criticized an author for not making a bunch of personal life choices that, oops, it turns out he did make. Then you criticized him for having a view of history that begins with WW2, when apparently he's written extensively about several different eras of history. Then you just doubled down nonsensically.

What exactly is anyone supposed to take away from this? Maybe you should just rewrite the post without all the sneering and fanfiction and try again.

I don't particularly like having all my posts be in response to you, but I also can't be motivated to post unless someone not only makes a bad argument but also rides it into the ground with their middle finger up, and that just happens to be a niche you have a monopoly on these days.

Probably has something to do with the fact that you're the only poster who can post shit talk like...

I would like to argue that it's not my fault that these people are morons who can't read. but intellectual integrity require that I acknowledge that communication is a two way street

...and get away with it despite having been temp banned a billion times. If Joe Blow rolled in off the street and pulled that shit he'd be history. Even Darwin managed to be superficially polite and mostly just stopped responding when he was really being handed an L.

No one except @Hoffmeister25 actually disagrees with your conclusion (white nationalists bad, white nationalism is intellectually incoherent). The problem is you are making a correct argument very badly by just throwing general attacks at and about white natuonalists, even when they don't actually apply. "I'm directionally correct" just looks like doubling down on an error. Like if I attacked Republicans for being a bunch of racist old white guys in response to a quote from Nikki Haley. I could (to be clear, I am not, this is just an example) argue that in general, the GOP favors and is favored by racist old white guys, but it still looks pretty stupid to be making that argument in this case and then saying "I don't even know who this Nikki Haley person is, I'm just talking about the Republican Party."

No one except @Hoffmeister25 actually disagrees with your conclusion (white nationalists bad, white nationalism is intellectually incoherent).

How is this not an extremely blatant violation of the rule against consensus-building and attempting to speak for the entire forum?

My apologies: I meant (and should have said) "No one of the people you mentioned"; I was not speaking for the entire forum.

That’s because I don’t really have a dog in the fight. Im not really interested in the goals of the white nationalists (even if I would want to reduce immigration from obviously troubled areas).

My comments were merely about the argument itself; not the conclusions drawn from the argument.

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